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    Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 7:30pm
Presumably he is retired to stud - any idea where he goes? Any idea as to fee?
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Dunno, dunno Robbo.  Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.

Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.

But my guess re fee?  Probably overs at about $27,500.  Ouch
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Dunno, dunno Robbo.  Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.

Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.

But my guess re fee?  Probably overs at about $27,500.  Ouch


That would be a crazy price unless they deal a lot. Not a G1 winner and has broken down twice, I think maybe a wind op. Entering stud when most of the better breeders have already made bookings.
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$11k at the most would be suitable
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Any word yet where he will go ?
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At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.
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Any ideas where he’s heading?
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.


Agree with this - I put him at the 10-15K mark. Whoever it is will probably price him based on 2019 and then negotiate heavily to try to get him a book at a very late stage. The leg and throat problems should result in a risk-adjusted fee lower than what they could otherwise charge.

No word as to where he is going. I reckon Widden given Outreach.
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Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?

He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?

He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.


My view is that Pariah at $22K is a joke, and wouldn't happen anywhere else. I am more than happy to support horses that I believe displayed genuine Group 1 potential but didn't quite deliver (Counterattack last year, Bull Point this year) but do so on the basis that I will be getting a commensurate reduction in service fee.
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Exactly robbo, you can’t just charge for every stallion on potential. And I concur on Pariah,
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It is spin and fashion that run the industry , what creates talk, not results, we get it from our office as tradies just waffle, we call it bulla gelatia.
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To newgate, @$27,500
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SC wins with anticipating the insane stallion market!
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It's all very well whining when other people are putting their money on the line, but would anyone stand him for less when you can fill him at this fee?
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How did he look at the parade?
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Pretty laid back and just sauntered around with not much interest in proceedings  or the crowd.  Hard to say as not beefed up yet. Only arrived at the place Thursday night.  Both front legs heavily bandaged.  Not lame or limping.  If you saw him at the parade he wouldnt be one you would gasp and say OMG isnt he handsome.  I dunno what to say about him really,,,to explain how he looked,  as he just looked like a nice brown horse with a massive white blaze to me LOL  If I saw him in a paddock he would just look like another horse.  No doubt with time and let down he will bulk up and look more like a stallion .
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Reckon i've walked away from a few footy seasons looking pretty ragged... did let down fairly quick though LOL
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[QUOTE=Red Hare]Reckon i've walked away from a few footy seasons looking pretty ragged... did let down fairly quick though LOL[/QUOT

That about sums it up I reckon  Thumbs Up
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We saw him too, at the first parade. He was laidback, but the horse is fit and still in the racing groove. Nice type, confirmation. Though it seems he’s done a tendon. Makes sense to me that he take it all in his stride, lot quieter there than a city meet. Unlike Dissident who charged around like a cat on a hot tin roof, now there’s a horse that needs something to do! 😆
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Problems!


What sort?
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Can only be libido or fertility which amount to the same thing or in this case, nothing Smile
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Or maybe got a kick in the crown jewels, which halted Artie Schiller big time in 2013.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Can only be libido or fertility which amount to the same thing or in this case, nothing Smile


Those are the most likely, but there are always plenty of options for trouble!
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Fertility supposedly but fair go for the horse himself. Was being asked to be a GR1 superstar & then make an immediate turn around
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Fertility supposedly but fair go for the horse himself. Was being asked to be a GR1 superstar & then make an immediate turn around


Absolutely, no time to let down and get his mind on the job
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Big ask for a young horse.  No time at all between race track environment and stallion barn.
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