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   Should make the open borders believers ,   stop & think.

Melbourne is getting hell from these African migrants .    It's time for the
Lnp to get in and house these offenders. in Gaols in the desert.
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Dont the victorian coppers use taser guns?

They looked silly and completely inadequate waving their batons.

No wonder Victorian law and order is failing.


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Cattle prod to the testicles would of made him drop the knife pretty quickly , then once to the tip of his nose as he bent over in agony , surprised our police dont know what will drop someone .🎪
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Dont the victorian coppers use taser guns?

They looked silly and completely inadequate waving their batons.

No wonder Victorian law and order is failing.




Those 2 Police did a wonderful job .    Not easy trying to subdue mad men , especially one who has already stabbed many and was not about to stop his attack .     Police manouvered him into a position and had no alternative but to save many lives by shooting him.

Top marks to the civilian who tried to impede him with a shop trolley.

All three should get bravery awards.     . Armchair critics, a kick in the Balls or wherever.
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Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Cattle prod to the testicles would of made him drop the knife pretty quickly , then once to the tip of his nose as he bent over in agony , surprised our police dont know what will drop someone .🎪


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Doesnt matter what the cops do, someone will always find fault and say it should have been handled better.  I just think these complaining fault finding people should get out there and have a go at dealing with situations, and people,  like this one was.   Thing was they didnt have a cattle prod handy, Goldy.  Cops dont carry those.  Would have been wonderfull to see it tho !!Thumbs Up Big smileAnd when they use tasers they get called brutal, Isaac. What would you have done in that situation then ???    They didnt look silly at all.   They looked like blokes doing their job and doing their best to take down a nutter ,  and they did that before he did more damage. 
How many more nutters are out cops going to have to deal with ?   And when will the general public wise up and see what a terribel situation they face in cases like this ??
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woops,,spelling and cant correct.Cry
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

He is dead now.


Good.    Tax payers wont have to pay for his medical and legal bills. 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

woops,,spelling and cant correct.Cry


Inches from death every time that mad man lashed out = were the Police .

They circled and engaged him perfectly .    On their mind is the many innocents around them .
The gun fire had to be spot on or more dead...   GREAT job.

A much better Police action than the Dumbo's
storming into Martin Place by the dozens.
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I have nothing but admiration for the job the cops do, dealing with these druggos and would be terrorists.  They get out there and take them on, and they are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.
Those cops today.   They faced down that absolute nutter weilding a knife .  They tried to sudue him , with no luck, before they shot him, and now they will be under the spotlite as to their actions, because he has died.
Who cares he died,,,,tax payers would have funded his medical care and his legal aide,,which would have gone on and on forever. 
My thoughts are with the cops.
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We had a court judge come out and make a public statement last week stating that the press reports on the ragged state of law and order in Vic is somewhat over exaggerated.
In particular when it’s to do with African gangs and violence.
Wonder what he’s on?
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Congratulations to the police for putting a bullet in him a I say.
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What i dont undersand in incidents like this is the coroners inquest . Rightly so for the innocent victims but if money is wasted trying to work out the details of the nutters death i would be pissed off . Just show the footage supplied to the media around 1 minute to the inquest , then the chair man of the inquest says "good shot that" , now lets have a break and a cup of tea .
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That’s ridiculous.
If you don’t have inquests to determine whether reasonable force was used.
Then every Police shooting is automatically sanctioned.

as with the inquest in Sydney for the nutter in the Lindt siege,it’s not just to determine whether the Police had the right to shoot him, it’s to determine whether current strategies to contain are fit for purpose.
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Need to ramp up Duttons program to remove ratbags/ nut cases out of the country back to where they came from. About 3000 criminals have been deported over the past two years. Pity it wasn't 3001
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As Victoria Police raid properties in Melbourne's north and west following yesterday's terrorism attack, the identity of the man who carried out the fatal stabbing in Bourke Street has been confirmed as Hassan Khalif Shire Ali.

The Somali-born man, aged in his early 30s, crashed his car loaded with gas bottles in the Melbourne CBD and stabbed three people before he was shot by police and died in hospital.

The ABC understands he is also known as Hassan Ali and Hassan Khalif, and recently moved from his family's Werribee home because of problems with substance abuse.

His family is well-known and respected within the Somali community in the region, and attended the Virgin Mary Mosque in Hoppers Crossing.

It is believed Mr Ali most commonly attended prayer in Melbourne's northern suburbs.

Mr Ali is understood to have previously been investigated for his association with others linked to terrorism.

Police also said in a statement that investigators were "executing search warrants at two addresses in Werribee and Meadows Heights".

Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton last night confirmed Shire Ali died in hospital, and that he was known to intelligence authorities.

One man, who is yet to be formally identified, died at the scene after the stabbing.

A 26-year-old man is in a stable condition in the Royal Melbourne Hospital, while a 58-year-old also remains in hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

Authorities said there would be an increased police presence around the Melbourne CBD and at major events in the coming days so the public could feel comfortable going about their business, but they did not believe there was an ongoing threat.

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Police are treating the attack as terror-related at this stage, and counter-terrorism investigations are continuing into Shire Ali's background.

Mr Ashton said he believed the suspect moved to Australia from Somalia in 1990s, and that his family members have been known to police on terrorism-related matters.

Mr Ashton said the Myer department store's Christmas windows opened last night and other key events were being held this weekend, and he said there was "no ongoing threat at the moment".

"We have a number of events going on in Melbourne, Stakes day at Flemington, soccer at AAMI Stadium and also Remembrance Day so we are doing security reassessments in light of those events.

"At this stage we are encouraging people to go to those events and there will be additional police over the weekend."

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews strongly condemned yesterday's attack and thanked police as well as bystanders who courageously stepped in to try to help.

"This is an evil and terrifying thing that has happened in our city and state today and we condemn it," the Premier said.

But we also thank the police who did us proud in very dangerous circumstances.

"We thank our police, we thank those who came to assist them in the protection of other members of the public.

"Victorians can be assured that every member of Victoria Police … are equal to the task and will do everything they can in any circumstance to keep Victorians safe."

Victoria's Opposition Leader Matthew Guy also denounced the attack.

"I'll never accept that violent extremism should be a way of life for a big city like Melbourne," he said.

"All the resources of our state should be directed towards keeping Victorians safe. Victorians would say we do not have to live like this."

In a statement, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he condemned the act of terrorism in Melbourne, describing it as an "evil and cowardly attack".

He said he had been briefed by law enforcement and security agencies and acknowledged the investigation by the Joint Counter Terrorism Team, led by Victoria Police.

"Australians will never be intimidated by these appalling attacks and we will continue to go about our lives and enjoy the freedoms that the terrorists detest," he said.
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Road blocks in the area are expected to remain in place until at least mid-morning and members of the public are asked to avoid the area on Bourke Street between Russell and Swanston Streets.

Police have asked the public to submit any images or video footage of the attack to help them with their investigation.

Authorities said it was normal for people to have strong emotional or physical reactions after such a distressing or frightening event, and people should seek help from their doctor or by calling a helpline if they needed support.

Melbourne's Lord Mayor Sally Capp sought to reassure the public and praised the police for their swift response.

"Our thoughts are with everybody affected, including family and friends," she said.

"Melburnians should feel reassured of the swift reaction from our police and emergency services who were so quickly, effectively and bravely at the scene dealing with the situation and minimising harm to the public.

"It is at times like this when we need to be incredibly supportive and empathetic of all Melburnians because we will respond to this in different ways, and I hope that we can pull together as a community to really support each other."

Trauma specialist Rob Gordon urged the Melbourne community to learn from the incident and be aware of dangers, but to also not let fear dictate.

"We need to understand and become familiar with risks and hazards," Dr Gordon said.

"Unfortunately the present time has got hazards of this sort where people take in to their minds to attack innocent people.

"It's very important to recognise that we live with all sorts of hazards but we do it successfully by being aware and understanding and careful.

"Fear doesn't help you get more prepared — it makes you jump at shadows and then you tend to get overwhelmed or exhausted and then you shut off
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   Has anyone thought of not bringing more in that cannot accept our culture

You don't hear of some nationalities who migrate here ..   Get the adverts out for them to come settle here.
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   Has anyone thought of not bringing more in that cannot accept our culture

You don't hear of some nationalities who migrate here ..   Get the adverts out for them to come settle here.

You mean your personal view of what ''our culture'' is? 
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Its my personal view as well, PT, not just Maccas.  And many other silent majority,s personal view.   Bring people who can integrate and assimilate.   Not those who,s religion will never fit in with the western world. 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

   Has anyone thought of not bringing more in that cannot accept our culture

You don't hear of some nationalities who migrate here ..   Get the adverts out for them to come settle here.


You mean your personal view of what ''our culture'' is? 



I think the basics of our culture is well known.

Do you have a different version PT...    ( Don't say join Labor )
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If maxie and oneone became joint dictators of Australia and imposed their personal definition of ''our culture'', I think I would leave.

It is a different thing to different people. There is no collective silent majority. It is a compromise over an ever expanding evolving breadth of views.


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If you don’t like it here, you can kiss off back to where you come from.
Pauline Hanson is right in what she said
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

If maxie and oneone became joint dictators of Australia and imposed their personal definition of ''our culture'', I think I would leave.

It is a different thing to different people. There is no collective silent majority. It is a compromise over an ever expanding evolving breadth of views.




Not one of your best PT.      oneone will be aghast at sharing power with me .        . All we agree on is the length of mini skirts.

We don't worship Allah.    Throw people off buildings , Circumsize the Ladies , have many wives ( thank God )etc etc.
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

If you don’t like it here, you can kiss off back to where you come from.
Pauline Hanson is right in what she said

Right about Muslims or about her previous targets which would be any group migrating to Australia in numbers, Greeks and Italians no doubt if she went back that far ?

Barely half of population born in Australia to Australian-born parents


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Dont forget Asians Whale, back to where it all started, and whomever next years demonized group may be.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Dont forget Asians Whale, back to where it all started, and whomever next years demonized group may be.


I think the early Asians were demonized over drug running and assassinating Politicians at one stage .       Italians did declare war on England .        . All new migrants face language barriers etc.
After WW2 , older Ozzies especially had never seen anyone speaking differently.    We were inexperienced , isolated and by no means competitive with the new arrivals in such numbers.
Over time we learnt from them and a great asset they were & are.
I think Melbourne is the 2nd largest Greek City.
I don't recall them being given too hard a time.

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I am old enough to remember growing up a Catholic that Protestants were the enemy maxie. We used to fight with kids from the public school and never mixed with them till about second year in high school.

My parents were denied a church wedding because they were one of each. Dads lodge booted him out and his old mates never talked to him again for marrying a Catholic. 

I am glad we dont still have that culture 
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Well I travelled out to Emu Plains with an African gentleman and his two young girlls after a train trip into Sydney.  The two children were very well spoken and lovely and the father was quite spoken and lovely.  We can't just dump everyone together folks.  There are good and bad everywhere.  Look at the killing in Sydney by the young man on ice.  This fellow had issues with drug abuse also it seems.

My mother and father also had that problem religious problem PT.  But Dad was his father inlaws best friend before his death.  His kindness and gentle nature would of won anyone over but considering the fact that Grandpa never came to the wedding my mother must of been good at standing up for herself. 

We have to realise these people have no where to go.  They do have problems - well some of them - but we can help by understanding we have never faced what they have lived through.  Most just want safety for their families.  The media usually only show the worst and not all the good.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I am old enough to remember growing up a Catholic that Protestants were the enemy maxie. We used to fight with kids from the public school and never mixed with them till about second year in high school.

My parents were denied a church wedding because they were one of each. Dads lodge booted him out and his old mates never talked to him again for marrying a Catholic. 

I am glad we dont still have that culture 


I grew up with that at it's worst.   Some places only employed Catholics , others CofE only .       You had to join the football clubs , CYMS or CEBS
   All of that applied to everyone , irrespective of where we were born.
   It was all religious shxt ,   But I don't recall anyone plotting to kill
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