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Originally posted by The Kings Enemy The Kings Enemy wrote:

What gets me, is why stand half brothers? Is Redoutes fertility becoming that much of a worry they want the half brother as well?
 
Its like when Coolmore tried standing Danehill and Eagle Eyed together - didnt work!
There is no comparison to Danehill and Eagle Eyed, they are half brothers which opens up the way for all the Danehill line mares to go to Manhatten Rain, got the pedigree, performance and conformation, Group One winning 2yo, you better believe it, he will attract a ripper book of mares, and any stud in the Sth Hemisphere would have taken him. Coolmore have seen plenty of Shanthas Choice, so they would have had an opportunity to get him, but with Yasseen keeping 50% or more, thats not their style ?
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I have enquired about Manhattan Rain for one of my mares.  I also indicated that I would love to look at Hussonet for her but that he would be outside my price range.
The reply was that the stud fees will not be set until after Easter sales ( as normal) but that there won't be much differental in the price between the 2.
It sounds like both horses fee will be out of my price range comfort zone. Though maybe Hussonet will have a reduction in stud fee considering his Melbourne Premier sale results.
 
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And also considering how his progeny are faring on the track. 
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The worse it yet to come for Hussonet's supporters.  His 2008 fee was advertised at $137,500.  Last year it dropped to $71,500 and they can't really go much below $50,000 this coming season or they will be dealing their assess off with their faithful clients.
 
 
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They ought to blame his age.  He was always going to be a short term prospect here, given his age when he arrived.  Look at other older sires, eventually their fees drop to much lower than their peak.
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A few weeks ago Gay absolutely declared him to any sports journalist that would listen - He lost, I wonder how the Waterhouse Familt Trust faired that day? It's a familiar story with some of  her "stars". Mind you no matter what anyone says, 2nd in a COX PLATE is unquestionable class

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Originally posted by Flight Flight wrote:

The worse it yet to come for Hussonet's supporters.  His 2008 fee was advertised at $137,500.  Last year it dropped to $71,500 and they can't really go much below $50,000 this coming season or they will be dealing their assess off with their faithful clients.
 
 


And all off the back of one exceptionally good galloper in Weekend Hussler. No doubt they milked him for all they could get and there is no one better in the business. These fellows could get milk out of a dry cow. But again, they are in business to maximise results.
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Originally posted by ianb ianb wrote:

well he is a group winning 2yo and 2nd in a cox plate, a half to a golden slipper winner and champion stallion who started his first season at $33k so I think he will be the same, all their Danzero and Flying Spur mares will go to him, but can he work being an Encosta De Lago son, I have never seen him in the flesh so don't really know what mare type they should send him, but Miss Finland will get a number for sure.
 
Not sure they would be rushing to send Miss Finland to Manhattan Rain as she is by Redoutes and he is a 1/2 brother to Redoutes.
 
This is in fact one of the major limiting factors for Manhattan Rain, in that he really can't really see mares by the two best stallions in the country in Redoutes Choice and Encosta De Lago.
 
Still, he is fine for any other Danehill line or Zabeel, More Than Ready, Red Ransom, Tale of the Cat, Dehere etc
 
Standing 1/2 brothers at the same farm is no problem at all. When John Messara stood two Golden Slipper winning sons of Danehill a few people told him it wasn't a great idea and look how that has turned out.
 
If this horse doesn't make it than Encosta won't be a sire of sires, but I suspect he will become a champion sire in years to come, he just has too much going for him.
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What's everyones thoughts 4 seasons on?
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Just three winners from 24 starters (though one Gp 3 winner in Adelaide) in his debut season off a stud fee of $49.5k which has since lowered to $41.250k, $33k, $27.5k and now $16.5k.
 
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His breeding as we know is outstanding....however in the sale ring he is a flop.
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What about the yearlings sold last year and this year over 200K and his average at the major sales is pretty respectable isnt it, which indicates he can throw a good type or am I seeing things the wrong way?
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14 were up for sale at Magic Millions National sale earlier this month. Average price $14,042 with highest $52k.

1     Manhattan Rain (AUS)     14     12     1     1     168500.00     52500.00     14042

I liked a few but steered clear as those that have started did nothing for me. Due to his breeding, I can see him as a strong broodmare sire. I think a MR filly would be the best go.
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Yer the couple I have seen have looked like good types.

Redoutes is going to be a superstar broodmar sire based on what he has done so far so it makes sense the MR will also produce decent broodmare prospects. Next years major sales will be interesting to see how MR goes...
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Teeley still kept a lot of stock but I noticed that he sold a lot of the MR. I took that as a sign. Could be misguided by me....but there are better value and WELL performed options. Still will be on the lookout for a very cheap MR filly for breeding.
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Originally posted by whitt0 whitt0 wrote:

Teeley still kept a lot of stock but I noticed that he sold a lot of the MR. I took that as a sign. Could be misguided by me....but there are better value and WELL performed options. Still will be on the lookout for a very cheap MR filly for breeding.

They didn't sell everything lock stock and barrel ?

There were quite a few interestingly mated mares from Teeley at the MMS.


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Be interested to know how many mares went to MR in his first season that didn't belong to Teeley or Arrowfield, I did go thru his first crops on ASB but too lazy to go back thru and do the numbers. Off my memory Teely had a lot of mares that went to MR so this may be some of the reason behind the number of MR stock compared to other sires at the reduction sale (I would not know how many mares Teeley owns). The other thing may be that Arrowfield and Teeley wanted to pump up his first book with mare numbers so they sent him quiet a few to make him look a more attractive proposition at his high first season fee, could have been embarising to go to stud with hype he did and only get a book of 50 to 70
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Not sure how many they still kept.

Just watching Bred to Win and I wish we had better access to Alamosa. Nice strong types.
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88 out of 105 mares were non Teeley from his 2011 crop. However - approx half of the 88 were Arrowfield mares
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So it sounds like it was a contingency plant then if the stallion served a book of less then 50 outside mares in his first year. Bet someone regretted setting the fee too high. I could imagine they took a bit on board when it came to pricing Smart Missile.

At the same time though guess atleast he served a reasonble quality of book.
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Where do opinions sit about him now? His 3yos look to be going OK. His stats are much better now albeit still disappointing given the quality of the mares he served.

I looked at a couple at MM on the weekend and vendors didn't seems that confident despite them being nice types.
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I like them but most of that sale is geared to early 2 year olds which MR does generally not throw that type.

I can understand the vendors concern on maximising value.

Certainly very nice 3 year olds and I can see one of his progeny winning an Oaks or Derby soon.
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The Australian yearling market tends to dump them pretty quickly. Right now I'd be reluctant to make a call on MR one way or another. I'd say the negativity probably comes from trainers who've had a few that couldn't beat their own shadow. It's also based on expectations. His stats would be much better regarded if he was a $9k stallion from Vic or Qld.
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Agree re:cost - however he is one of the stallions I am considering for one of my mares.  

I wont be selling the progeny for that one at MM.


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Don't forget he would have served some very good mares in his first season just to get the ball rolling.

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Just completed a terrific Sales Season with an average of over $46k at the MM Winter Sale (which was good for that sale). This was on top of 5 selling at Easter for $316k ave and top price of $700k. On the track had 29 winners from 56 runners with 3 Stakes Winners this Season with his 3yo crop. All 3 Stakes winners beyond 1600m which might tell the story of where he sits (only the 2 x 2yo winners from 12 runners this Season). Would imagine his results stack up really well considering he's at $16.5k fee now.
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Just sired his first G1 winner in South Africa.  The Keniworth J & B Met over 2000m.  (or run this year as the sun met celebrated with mumm.
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Must of been one of the richest races run in South Africa as the exchange works out as $491,747 (5,000,000 Rand).

Also on the day had the 2nd, 4th and 6th in the Cape Derby (G1).  The second horse out of Sybarite a daughter of Procrastinate from the family of the Melbourne Cup winner Rainbird.
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And the site of this year's slipper winner

His stats are quite good ATM
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