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    Posted: 16 Jul 2014 at 6:36pm
Hello,
I heard from another source above mentioned mare will be mated with Starspangledbanner. So I looked at her ped and have a somewhat other idea.

When I saw Desert King is the damsire of Maybe I had another idea, I thought of the yet unproven Frankel (by Galileo), so I did a Hypo, and it was quite enlightening, it would be 3x3 Danehill, the 3/4 Brothers Sadlers Wells, the HB Never Bend/Bold Reason + linebreeding to Frankels/Desert Kings damline (Circassia).
It would be a pretty close breeding to Danehill. on hether Hand the Frankel/Danedream foal has the same pattern.
As i see Frankel doesn't have many friends in AUS and if he will ever Shuttles to AUS is "written in the Stars".

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Hello,
here is my second Suggestion:

Rip van Winkle/Makybe Diva

It would be free of Danehill, but is 4x5x5x5 ND,3x4x4 3/4 Brothers Sadlers Wells/Nureyev + Lorenzaccio, 4x5 HB Bold Reason/Never Bend, linebreeding to Desert King/Don't Forget me damline (Circassia), linebreeding Lombard/Vaguely Noble (Belle Sauvage)

according the catologue he stands at Windsor Park Stud, NZ for a reasonable fee, so it could by a more likely possibility.

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Originally posted by Ticino Ticino wrote:

Hello,
here is my second Suggestion: Rip van Winkle/Makybe Diva

It would be free of Danehill, but is 4x5x5x5 ND,3x4x4 3/4 Brothers Sadlers Wells/Nureyev + Lorenzaccio, 4x5 HB Bold Reason/Never Bend, linebreeding to Desert King/Don't Forget me damline (Circassia), linebreeding Lombard/Vaguely Noble (Belle Sauvage)  Regards, Ticino
 
I also believe that could be great match Ticino.  Star
 
Just a pity we'll never know. 
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Whilst I doubt it will ever happen. Canford Cliffs is out of the 5th dam. Love that match up.

5th Dam - Amerigo's Fancy (USA)
Amerigo's Fancy (USA) (Amerigo), 1962, f
Amata (USA) (Nodouble), 1972, f
Swell Time (IRE) (Sadler's Wells), 1988, f
Sadhya (FR) (Prince Sabo), 1998, f
Sweet Wind Music (GB) (Zamindar), 2004, f
Cima Sandown (GB) (Medicean), 2010, c
Statua (IRE) (Statoblest), 1995, f
St Moritz (IRE) (Medicean), 2006, g
Ameridouble (USA) (Nodouble), 1973, f
Pale Purple (USA) (Verbatim), 1978, f
Purple Ridge (USA) (Cox's Ridge), 1993, f
Feed the Kitty (USA) (Coronado's Quest), 2000, f
Dirty Dish Mitch (USA) (Mr. Broad Blade), 2005, g
Justdontcallmejeri (USA) (Mr. Broad Blade), 2006, g
Dancing Deer (USA) (Deerhound), 1999, f
Top Cat Boogie (USA) (Big Top Cat), 2009, g
Triple Tipple (USA) (Raise a Cup), 1979, f
Drei (USA) (Lyphard), 1991, f
Triple Sharp (GB) (Selkirk), 1997, f
Laureldean Express (GB) (Inchinor), 2004, f
Ellmau (GB) (Dr Fong), 2005, g
Nasri (GB) (Kyllachy), 2006, g
Pina Colada (GB) (Sabrehill), 1999, f
Mrs Marsh (GB) (Marju), 2001, f
Canford Cliffs (IRE) (Tagula), 2007, c
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Sepoy would be interesting with the success of Desert King with Canny Lad mares and Sepoy being from that family. Canny Lad also has influence in LA Armistad's ped thru redoutes. There would also be 7 dups of Natamala in the 6th gen. Also ensure the foal got some speed minimizing risk of a dour plodder.
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Wonder if they have contemplated So You Think as a mating at any stage ?
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Holder that mating may result in another rock stardom
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High Chaparral colt named "Surrey" - owners Lloyd and Nick Williams
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High Chaparral colt named "Surrey" - owners Lloyd and Nick Williams

If we are lucky we may see him at the back end of next season in some of the mile 2yo races.

We are lucky in in that stable he will be given every chance to do what his pedigree suggests he should do.

We are unlucky in that he is in a stable that does not care about making stallions. Subby will be happy about that.




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Originally posted by Off and racing Off and racing wrote:

Sepoy would be interesting with the success of Desert King with Canny Lad mares and Sepoy being from that family. Canny Lad also has influence in LA Armistad's ped thru redoutes. There would also be 7 dups of Natamala in the 6th gen. Also ensure the foal got some speed minimizing risk of a dour plodder.
 
Wouldn't have thought DK had a history of success over CL mares.  Only one springs to mind, but am more than happy to proved otherwise.
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The 1 that springs to mind I presume is desert war. There is also his bro our desert warrior less successful but still you would have been happy with his efforts if you bred him. The current AEI is 7.95 and from 12 named foals 7 winners and 38 wins. Also other branches of the star kingdom line goes well; marscay 8 winners from 12 named foals, bletchingly 5 winners (1 stakeswinner) from 8 named foals, lord balina 2 winners from 3 named foals, luskin star 1 winner from 2 named foals, biscay 1 winner from 2 named foals.
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where r u getting these stats OandR?
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I get them off stallions.com.au but not all stallions have them now they have changed the site so get them off gavelhouse which I could imagine is powered by Arion pedigrees (can't confirm that tho)
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cheers, ur looking at the nicks. 
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He has only sired three group winners from his time in Australia, one is from a CL mare and one from a Bletchingly mare. Banana Man is from a Kaapstad mare, also carries Bletchinglys Relic. Having said that, one stakes winner, at listed, from his last 1000 foals and no stakes winners in his last 12 crops, according to Arion.
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Originally posted by Ticino Ticino wrote:

Hello,
here is my second Suggestion:

Rip van Winkle/Makybe Diva

It would be free of Danehill, but is 4x5x5x5 ND,3x4x4 3/4 Brothers Sadlers Wells/Nureyev + Lorenzaccio, 4x5 HB Bold Reason/Never Bend, linebreeding to Desert King/Don't Forget me damline (Circassia), linebreeding Lombard/Vaguely Noble (Belle Sauvage)

according the catologue he stands at Windsor Park Stud, NZ for a reasonable fee, so it could by a more likely possibility.

Regards, Ticino
 
Thanks, Ticino. Interesting to get a completely impartial view of the Diva amd her prospects as a mum - she could certainly do with a bit of dating-advice, given the results so far.
I don't think the size of the service fee is an issue, though!
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If she were mine I'd be giving street cry a crack she's been down the saddlers wells path
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Originally posted by Ticino Ticino wrote:


Hello,
I heard from another source above mentioned mare will be mated with Starspangledbanner. So I looked at her ped and have a somewhat other idea.

When I saw Desert King is the damsire of Maybe I had another idea, I thought of the yet unproven Frankel (by Galileo), so I did a Hypo, and it was quite enlightening, it would be 3x3 Danehill, the 3/4 Brothers Sadlers Wells, the HB Never Bend/Bold Reason + linebreeding to Frankels/Desert Kings damline (Circassia).
It would be a pretty close breeding to Danehill. on hether Hand the Frankel/Danedream foal has the same pattern.
As i see Frankel doesn't have many friends in AUS and if he will ever Shuttles to AUS is "written in the Stars".

Regards, Ticino




Just an observation on the cross / reinforcement of Circassia . There was a stallion who stood in NZ Maroof who is out of the same family as Desert King / Frankel / Don't Forget Me and he had two G1 winners Maroofity and Hit the Roof both out of Don't Forget Me mares .

I'd hazard a guess Maroof would have seen only a handful of Don't Forget Me mares so its a good strike rate .
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The Redoutes Choice - Tugela is running at Narromine today...
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Holy @#$% over 800m. LOL


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Shadowofexcellence - 7yo gelding. $1.2 million at Easter in 2009.
30-3:2:5 and $63,815. Ran 10.4 lengths 6th of 9 at Narromine (although that was first up - wins are in the 14-2100m range).
 
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filly by All Too Hard born yesterday morning. There is a picture on the Makybe Diva Facebook page.
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All Too Hard (AUS) 
2009, b
Casino Prince (AUS) 
2003, b
Flying Spur (AUS)
1992, b
Danehill (USA)
1986, b
Danzig (USA) , 1977, [IC]
Razyana (USA) , 1981, b
Rolls (USA)
1984, ch
Mr Prospector (USA) , 1970, [BC]
Grand Luxe (CAN) , 1974, ch
Lady Capel (AUS)
1993, br
Last Tycoon (IRE)
1983, db
Try My Best (USA) , 1975, b
Mill Princess (IRE) , 1977, b
Kew Gardens (FR)
1981, b
Kenmare (FR) , 1975, gr
Garden Green (IRE) , 1964, b
Helsinge (AUS)
2001, b
Desert Sun (GB)
1988, b
Green Desert (USA)
1983, b
Danzig (USA) , 1977, [IC]
Foreign Courier (USA) , 1979, b
Solar (GB)
1973, ch
Hotfoot (GB) , 1966, br
L'Anguissola (IRE) , 1967, b
Scandinavia (AUS)
1994, ch
Snippets (AUS)
1984, b
Lunchtime (GB) , 1970, ch
Easy Date (AUS) , 1977, b
Song Of Norway (AUS)
1982, gr
Vain (AUS) , 1966, ch
Love Song (DEN) , 1976, gr
Makybe Diva (GB) 
1999, b
Desert King (IRE)
1994, b
Danehill (USA)
1986, b
Danzig (USA)
1977, [IC]
Northern Dancer (CAN) , 1961, [BC]
Pas de Nom (USA) , 1968, db
Razyana (USA)
1981, b
His Majesty (USA) , 1968, [C]
Spring Adieu (USA) , 1974, b
Sabaah (USA)
1988, ch
Nureyev (USA)
1977, [C]
Northern Dancer (CAN) , 1961, [BC]
Special (USA) , 1969, b
Dish Dash (GB)
1979, b
Bustino (GB) , 1971, b
Loose Cover (GB) , 1963, b
Tugela (USA)
1995, db
Riverman (USA)
1969, [IC]
Never Bend (USA)
1960, db [BI]
Nasrullah (IRE) , 1940, 
Lalun (USA) , 1952, b
River Lady (USA)
1963, b
Prince John (USA) , 1953, ch [C]
Nile Lily (USA) , 1954, db
Rambushka (USA)
1986, b
Roberto (USA)
1969, [C]
Hail To Reason (USA) , 1958, br [C]
Bramalea (USA) , 1959, db
Katsura (USA)
1977, ch
Northern Dancer (CAN) , 1961, [BC]
Noble Fancy (USA) , 1971, b


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Makybe Diva/Lonhro gelding - Taqneen, first start on Tuesday at Pakenham. Has had a throat op.
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Originally posted by Dizzy Dizzy wrote:

Makybe Diva/Lonhro gelding - Taqneen, first start on Tuesday at Pakenham. Has had a throat op.

Apart from the testical operation.

What a shame this mare and her off spring are in Australia.

Complete waste.




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That it is djebel... I will be watching with interest however. Would love to see one go well.
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I've got a bit of man-love for Maxios. How would that go?
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Maxios (GB)
Bay 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane1952 1-e
Donna Diana1956 6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto1956 2-c
Kronung1957 5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat1965 7-b
Surama1970 19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi1970 14-b
Monacensia1969 8-a
Moonlight's Box
Bay 1996
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic1954 14-c
Natalma1957 2-d
Special
Bay 1969
Forli1963 3-b
Thong1964 5-h
Coup de Genie
Bay 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native1961 8-f
Gold Digger1962 13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo1969 2-d
Raise the Standard1978 2-d
Makybe Diva (GB)
Bay 1999
Desert King
Bay 1994
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer1961 2-d
Pas de Nom1968 7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty1968 4-d
Spring Adieu1974 2-d
Sabaah
Chestnut 1988
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer1961 2-d
Special1969 5-h
Dish Dash
Bay 1979
Bustino1971 1-w
Loose Cover1963 1-k
Tugela
Brown 1995
Riverman
Bay 1969
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah1940 9-c
Lalun1952 19-b
River Lady
Bay 1963
Prince John1953 14-f
Nile Lily1954 10-a
Rambushka
Bay 1986
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason1958 4-n
Bramalea1959 12-c
Katsura
Chestnut 1977
Northern Dancer1961 2-d
Noble Fancy1971 9-f
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,5m,5f Nureyev3f x 4f


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Kind of banking on Monsun being the dominant influence & hoping the rest doesn't make a mess of it!

There's not a lot of excitement in Makybe's dam line (at least not to my novice eye). There is a different daughter of Mahmoud in Betsy Ross, but your 8 dams deep by the time you find her.

In any case, the whole exercise would be cheaper than another run at Redoute's. Maxy will throw a leg over for €10k. That leaves the best part of $100k to get over and back. He could bring back a playmate at that rate.
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