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For a start. Daniel Bowman and Mitch Freedman we’re working about a dozen older broken down ones that needed the beach. They weren’t there during Weirs “prime”. Maddie Raymond was, and now she trains a couple under her own name out of Lindsey Smiths stable. This is heading exactly the same way as Weir and McLean. I’m more than happy to cal it guilt by association, just as I will listening to the silence from the “believers” when one or both get outed.
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I can assure you both were foremen consecutively at Miners Rest when blinkers hung ominously & continuously on one particular treadmill, tho' in their capacity, they didn't operate these, that I'm aware of.
However, despite turning a blind eye, they certainly learned how to train well as evidenced by their results. Sometimes one needs to off off one's nose to spite the face Wink
'Everyone' knew what was going on for the previous 10 years, the surprise was the time it took to officially resolve.

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I have NEVER said at any time that all Weir ex employees should be tarred with the same brush, NEVER. I will however say whatever I wish about a situation that has all the hallmarks of past discretions. 
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The racing industry has and always will be an echo chamber. Until it dies which it will within decades.
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This is a crap read! The person worked for Australia’s biggest horse trainer. You do not become that big if you cannot train! She probably has learnt all the best ways to train and seen many other things in the process? But everyone is an individual! Narrow minded people want to paint with one brush.
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Originally posted by Straight arrow Straight arrow wrote:

The person worked for Australia’s biggest horse trainer. You do not become that big if you cannot train!


You can if you cheat.
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blah blah blah. So the horse, Wentwood, that was racing in Group company in Europe, now bought and owned by the same individuals that race a So You Think (entire) that had 8 starts for 5 WINS and TWO SECONDS for Weir and now in the hands of Lindsey Smith, has been handed over to an individual who has had their license five minutes. You don’t think for one minute this is odd? An owner with ties to both Weir and Smith giving a horse to someone with absolutely no credentials other than also having ties to the same people?. I can remember Smith and a couple of his owners throwing McLean a bone or two not so long ago, namely Cougar Express and Trap For Fools. 
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Hey all, I'm watching this thread. Please let's not let it get out of hand with false accusations. There are a ton of good people who worked for the Weir stable and most have been absorbed into stables that have since become highly successful. They sure know how to train and look after horses. Aside from the convicted few, every other person must be treated as innocent or at least oblivious and deserves a chance to show what they are made of. Don't be a troll.
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You're blacklisted everywhere in that State.No one will employ a snitch if you go that far & if you give 'a change of scenery' as reason & head to another trainer, don't expect a glowing reference even if deserved.

Too right.   Come on you jokers.  You must have been around stables long enough to know how things work ??  Shocked   Surely ???  If you havnt been, and you dont know, get your heads out of the sand and go work in a stable for awhile and try your luck as a snitch when seeking other work.
I never even worked in a racing stable, but I did do the hard yards in other breeds stables,  and if you dont believe word travels, and work drys up, when you try and do the right thing by the horse, when your employer is an ass, you live in La la Land.
On the other hand, work for a straight trainer and you have no worries.
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OK Boomer. Keep that wheel rolling.

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Its your farm alright.  You are just snoozing under the pig.

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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

I know it as fact! You're blacklisted everywhere in that State.No one will employ a snitch if you go that far & if you give 'a change of scenery' as reason & head to another trainer, don't expect a glowing reference even if deserved.
What's the difference between Maddie, Daniel, Mitch & other ex Weir employees then? How come they too don't have potentially slanderous threads? Perhaps because she's female? Involved closely with a Melb. Cup winner? She's not even a tall poppy Confused

I think it is the whole Weir - Smith and now still employed with Smith and doing similar to McLean, Working for Smith and her own horses.

It just has an absolute stink to it.








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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

I can assure you both were foremen consecutively at Miners Rest when blinkers hung ominously & continuously on one particular treadmill, tho' in their capacity, they didn't operate these, that I'm aware of.
However, despite turning a blind eye, they certainly learned how to train well as evidenced by their results. Sometimes one needs to off off one's nose to spite the face Wink
'Everyone' knew what was going on for the previous 10 years, the surprise was the time it took to officially resolve.



Who are these people that do not employ snitches ? They should be ostracised as much as the convicted.


And when the industry is brought to its knees and caves in, everybody who said nothing will deserve exactly what they get.

Really, the "Industry" is a disgrace.






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Doesn’t bode well for the horses, when even the people who feel sorry for them and know that it’s wrong, have to swallow their objections and principles, just to stay in the industry they love? It all comes back to the love of money, which in many cases exceeds all else.
Pity those that put success at whatever cost to the kind and obliging horse, can’t find a job working with racing cars, bikes, boats, anything that can’t feel stress, pain or discomfort🥵🤬
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Great first up effort
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

I can assure you both were foremen consecutively at Miners Rest when blinkers hung ominously & continuously on one particular treadmill, tho' in their capacity, they didn't operate these, that I'm aware of.
However, despite turning a blind eye, they certainly learned how to train well as evidenced by their results. Sometimes one needs to off off one's nose to spite the face Wink
'Everyone' knew what was going on for the previous 10 years, the surprise was the time it took to officially resolve.



Who are these people that do not employ snitches ? They should be ostracised as much as the convicted.


And when the industry is brought to its knees and caves in, everybody who said nothing will deserve exactly what they get.

Really, the "Industry" is a disgrace.

Very good question.

Bigger myth than chemtrails.

Anyone who is actively looking to punish whistleblowers is complicit.
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Anyone who is actively looking to punish whistleblowers is complicit.

Fat lot of good that does the whistleblower Confused Tell me any industry in which a whistleblower is no worse of after revealing all Unhappy

For example:
Max Igan

I have not been arrested. the rumours people are spreading are false but it has been an extremely intense few days. I have a lot to share but need to go underground for a while, will message when again I can.



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Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Got to actually see her today, interviewed.  Spoke well.
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I agree aa.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Anyone who is actively looking to punish whistleblowers is complicit.

Fat lot of good that does the whistleblower Confused Tell me any industry in which a whistleblower is no worse of after revealing all Unhappy

For example:
Max Igan

I have not been arrested. the rumours people are spreading are false but it has been an extremely intense few days. I have a lot to share but need to go underground for a while, will message when again I can.

Who the kiss is Max Igan?
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I’ve never heard of Max Igan, and never heard of a single person / whistle blower who has gone to Racing Victoria with a report of systematic cheating within their work place, full stop, let alone if someone had and the “system” lett them down. Happy to be proved wrong. 
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Originally posted by Discohips23 Discohips23 wrote:

I’ve never heard of Max Igan, and never heard of a single person / whistle blower who has gone to Racing Victoria with a report of systematic cheating within their work place, full stop, let alone if someone had and the “system” lett them down. Happy to be proved wrong. 

That brave young lady Kate Goodrich went to RVL with a tale of woe, one of the worst bullying stories I've ever read, RVL were disgusting in their investigations, the behaviour there was and still is in question, and I believe this is before the courts. I hope Kate gets her just rewards, her life will never be the same.
The reason I mention this in the same context Disco, is that in my opinion RVL is not to be trusted, if the behaviour at Weir's was Victoria's worst kept secret, for so long. then he should have been gone many years ago.
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Appreciate the KG story, whilst not fully understanding it. When mediation is called in it is apparent that someone isn’t prepared to take some responsibility for the situation. My comment was in response to one made about if you snitch to the authorities, your career is doomed. I would imagine if you were honest and snitched on Weir for instance, there would be no way you’d get a run in stables like Lamming or Gelagotis, if of course “the word gets out”. But to hold the opinion that you are doomed if you do is delusional. If you had the qualities stables like P.Carey, G.Eurell, N.Blackiston, P.Payne, M.Moroney, etc are needing, I’m sure you’d be employed. 
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If whistleblowers were so badly treated, who snitched on Weir then?
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Don’t think Julian Assanges life was ever quite the same.......
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If whistleblowers were so badly treated, who snitched on Weir then?
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Which is half ironic, because from the 60's right through to the 90's half the Ballarat cops turned a blind eye to institutional pedophilia in the Catholic church. Thumbs Down

Sorry to even further hijack the actual thread of "Maddie Raymond" who was just one of Weir's scores of employees.  
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Originally posted by Sister Dot Sister Dot wrote:

Don’t think Julian Assanges life was ever quite the same.......

Comparing the calling out of War atrocities and the use of information for the purpose of vote rigging in a Presidential election, and notifying a racing body of stable indiscretions. Really?
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Let's see how she goes, She is licenced and the powers that be are obviously happy for her to be so.

Hopefully she does not geld for the sake of it and is a proper horseman. 




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Gay,


Is there are thread for these “anti-paedophilic” comments? Surely we can’t have this “link” to the Maddie Raymond thread! Like Weir, all Pedos (even the tried & true Ballarat ones) should be respected on this site by all who use it. Innocent til proven guilty, eh! And like Weir, all these paedophiles had their believers. Over to you.
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