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With leaks and undermining in the wind, how long till we hear from that political cockroack Asbestos Julie, looking for a new warm place to infest. 
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EMBATTLED Labor MP David Feeney is expected to quit his seat of Batman in Victoria over his failure to renounce his British citizenship.

Senior sources confirmed Mr Feeney has agreed to step down and his resignation is “imminent”.


Asked if he would quit his seat, Mr Feeney told the Herald Sun this morning: “I’ve got nothing to say.”

It is understood the current president of the Australian Council of Trade Unions Ged Kearney — who had been preselected to take the state seat of Brunswick — is in line for the position.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/david-feeney-tipped-to-quit-over-citizenship-debacle/news-story/e258ba53f97ce05f9662a05f90d71b8f

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“Don’t worry,” one of the Liberals told him, according to the businessman. “We have offshore accounts.”

Of course they doEmbarrassed


The minister the money and the mine. How a rotten deal was hatched

Nick McKenzie

Published: February 4 2018 - 6:14PM

 

As waiters took orders for toasties and coffee at the Little Teapot Café in the sleepy coastal hamlet of Davistown, NSW, four men were discussing a deal as big as it was potentially rotten.

A businessman was seeking political backing from the NSW Liberal Party for a Chinese state-owned company to buy an Australian mine. They were not too fussy which one.

In return, the businessman was offering to funnel $2 million dollars to the party.

Last week, in a signed statement, the businessman outlined what happened at the café that day in 2012. He says he told the three Liberal insiders dining with him that he didn’t want the donations traced.

“Don’t worry,” one of the men told him, according to the businessman. “We have offshore accounts.”

Australia is in the midst of a fierce political debate about two interlinked issues confronting the Turnbull government.

The first is the need for a federal anti-corruption commission, which has been promised by Bill Shorten but is viewed warily by the Coalition. The second is the challenge posed by the intersection of local politics, donations, and foreign interests, including those linked to the Chinese government.

The Little Teapot Café allegation touches on both.

A heavy hitter

In March 2012, the businessman who later dined at the Little Teapot Cafe was approached by a wealthy Chinese broker who wrote that he was representing a “very large state-owned mining company in China”.

“They are interested in any metal mine (gold, iron, etc.) As long as the exploration is done,” the broker said in an email, obtained by Fairfax Media.

Fairfax Media has identified the Chinese company - which has subsidiaries in Australia - but is not naming it.

In 2012, this company had up to $700 million ready to spend in Australia, having purchased a $400 million mine a few years earlier.

In another email, the firm’s broker queried if Australian politicians could “release info” about mines that could be bought, “or introduce us to the mine owners?”

The Australian businessman says that, to answer this question, he spoke to a longstanding contact in the NSW branch of the Liberal Party. His contact, an active figure in the party who has worked on several campaigns, offered to connect the Chinese company with then energy minister Chris Hartcher.

But, the contact had said, this could not be done for free.

What is in it for the party?” the businessman quotes his Liberal contact as saying.

After consulting with the Chinese broker, the businessman says he offered his Liberal contact up to $2 million in donations. He also says he cautioned that the donations should only be discussed face to face: “no phone calls, no emails”.

The Liberal figure had responded: “It will be fine. I will take care of it.”

In April 2012, the businessman emailed the Chinese broker to update him.

“My [Liberal] contact … has confirmed he has made arrangements with the government people,” the email says. “The Minister has already pencilled in a meeting.”

The email goes on to say: “The Minister is Christopher 'Chris' Hartcher, New South Wales Minister for Minerals & Resources. He's a heavy hitter in State politics.”

Offshore accounts

The businessman told Fairfax Media that his Liberal contact, who did not respond to calls from Fairfax Media, arranged a meeting at the Little Teapot Café, in Mr Hartcher's then electorate of Terrigal, with two other Liberal Party insiders to discuss the potential deal.

“I said, ‘Listen guys, I am not touching any of the money,’ ” the businessman says he told the trio.

He says he was assured the funds could be received without detection, including via offshore accounts. He also says he was told that “Chris Hartcher knows what is going on but there is plausible deniability”.

The emails confirm that after the Little Teapot meeting, the Liberal contact bypassed bureaucrats and staffers and arranged a meeting directly between the businessman, Mr Hartcher and a senior public servant at NSW Parliament House. Emails record the meeting being held in late May 2012, and detail a promise from Mr Hartcher to personally meet the Chinese officials behind the proposal.

“The minister has his finger on the pulse of the whole mining industry … His time is very precious, and [he] needs to know how serious your people really are. After an initial meeting, he would place your people directly in contact with the sellers,” one email says.

It is tempting to disregard the businessman’s account, given it happened years ago and ultimately fizzled out with neither a mine purchase nor a donation.

But the emails confirm the meeting with Mr Hartcher occurred and suggest the promise of donations, rather than the potential for a mine purchase, got the Liberal Party to open Mr Hartcher’s door.

Mr Hartcher also has form.

In 2016, an investigation by the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption - which was never privy to the Little Teapot proposal - found Hartcher had a “significant role” in operating a political slush fund to collect unlawful donations from property developers.

The final ICAC report recommended the Director of Public Prosecutions consider charging Hartcher, who left politics in 2015 with larceny. No charges have yet been laid. Contacted for a response, Mr Hartcher said: "Thanks very much for your call. I don't have anything to do with Fairfax. Goodbye."

The businessman says he decided to contact Fairfax Media and signed a statement in light of the intense debate in Federal Parliament about how to deal with donations made to gain improper access or influence over public officials.

The issue has come to the fore again in connection to donations from businessmen linked to Beijing and questions about whether they have been acting (like many businesses) to advance their own corporate interests, those of a foreign power or, as most donors insist, simply to participate in the democratic process.

Donations, though, are not the only way to get access to the political class.

A different deal, but more questions

In September 2015, ten months before billionaire Chinese businessman Ye Cheng placed Australia’s former trade minister Andrew Robb on a yearly retainer of $880,000, Mr Ye travelled to Adelaide for a meeting with local officials over a different deal.

It was a busy time for Mr Ye, who was finalising his purchase of a long-term lease of the Darwin port. The port deal placed Mr Ye, who is close to the Chinese government and is a member of a Beijing-endorsed political body, under fierce scrutiny.

It also caused a diplomatic spat between Australia and the US amid claims the deal could give Beijing control over an important asset. The remarkably generous retainer Mr Ye gave Mr Robb sparked a fresh round of headlines when it was revealed last year.

But it was not until January this year that Mr Ye’s dealings in South Australia became public, via a short state ombudsman’s report that generated no coverage outside the state.

In September 2015, Mr Ye had travelled to South Australia to meet a delegation of local and state government officials. During a meeting in Adelaide, Mr Ye asked a senior public servant responsible for attracting investment to South Australia if the pair could conduct some business on the side.

As state development agency official Jing Li later told the Ombudsman: “Mr Ye wanted me to do some deals for him. I declined because I am a public servant.”

But an elected official at the Adelaide meeting was more amenable.

Andrew Lee was a restaurateur before being elected mayor of the town of Mount Gambier in late 2014, when he vowed to use his position to increase Chinese investment in the region.

"I would like to perhaps bring a delegation to visit China in the coming months, to showcase what we have for them to invest," Cr Lee said.

Cr Lee first met Mr Ye while on a government delegation to China in April 2015. When Mr Ye headed to Adelaide in September 2015, the pair met again. This time the forum was a meeting hosted by public servant Jing Li.

A few days later, Jing Li and Cr Lee accompanied Mr Ye on a regional tour to scope potential investments near Mount Gambier.

The Rymill winery in the Coonawarra caught the billionaire’s eye.

A 'gentleman's agreement'

Several weeks after this, Cr Lee claims he struck a “gentleman’s agreement” with Mr Ye that would see the mayor receive a benefit worth more than half a million dollars if he helped Mr Ye buy the Rymill Winery.

This handshake agreement appears striking on several fronts, including Cr Lee’s ability to morph seamlessly from mayor to winery broker. Cr Lee has no obvious experience selling agribusinesses. For this deal, he wouldn’t need it. The winery had been on the market for months and the Rymill family was eager to sell.

Also eyebrow-raising is what Cr Lee was given for his help.

A commercial property broker told Fairfax Media that brokers usually take a cut of under 1 per cent for a mid-size deal. “If we get 2 per cent for a $13 million property, we are jumping up and down,” he says.

When the Rymill Winery was sold to Mr Ye for $13,275,000, Cr Lee was given a 5 per cent stake worth more than $660,000.

One local government official who spoke to Cr Lee about the deal says not only does his role in it stink, but that the Ombudsman’s inquiry released this year lacked rigour.

The Ombudsman never interviewed Mr Ye, which the local government official describes as “a staggering omission.” (Mr Ye did not respond to messages from Fairfax Media about this story).

The question of whether the Chinese billionaire hired Cr Lee because he was a mayor with connections to state public servants and others of influence, or, whether a benefit of $660,000 was fair consideration for buying an asset its owners wanted to offload, barely get a mention.

Mayors in China can have considerable local standing and power and are often cultivated by businessmen. This, too, is ignored.

More scrutiny

The Ombudsman’s report finds C Lee did not receive the $660,000 stake because he was mayor, although it acknowledges that “one reading of the facts” might lead to a different conclusion. The report ultimately clears Cr Lee, who declined to answer questions on Friday.

“I laughed when I read that report,” says the local government official.

In mid-2016, as Cr Lee was preparing to receive his stake in the winery, former federal trade minister Andrew Robb was preparing to receive his first consultancy payment from Mr Ye.

Like Cr Lee, Mr Robb has previously insisted the generous fee he is paid- $880,000 a year for an ambiguous consulting service- has nothing to do with any influence he still wields in Australian politics.

But where Cr Lee has at least faced some scrutiny from a state ombudsman, there is no federal integrity commission to test Mr Robb’s assurances.

Mr Robb’s consulting arrangement is under added scrutiny because of Mr Ye’s close ties to the Chinese Communist Party, which has a strategy of securing influence among overseas former and serving politicians. Mr Robb has angrily dismissed any suggestion he could be bought.

If Bill Shorten becomes the next prime minister, he’s promised the introduction of a federal ICAC that could scrutinise this claim.

Malcolm Turnbull says he is still considering whether to support an ICAC-type body, but insists that new laws to prevent foreign governments or their proxies from exercising undue influence in Australian politics, including via donations, will lead to much needed transparency.

The Little Teapot Cafe offer, and Mr Ye’s Australian dealings, suggest far more scrutiny, in whatever form, is needed when corporate interests, foreign money and politics collide.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/the-minister-the-money-and-the-mine-how-a-rotten-deal-was-hatched-20180202-p4yzbm.html

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Hmmm ... a kick up in the polls for the Government ... Thank You Bullgelati Bill!Hug

Encouragement for Turnbull in Newspoll as parliamentary year starts

The first Newspoll for 2018 brings encouraging figures for the Coalition, although it continues to trail Labor – for the 26th consecutive time.

Malcolm Turnbull has extended his lead over Bill Shorten as better prime minister, and the Coalition primary vote has risen two points to 38%, compared with late December.

The Coalition now trails 48-52% on the two-party vote – the best result for it since April last year – compared with 47-53% before Christmas.

The poll comes as parliament resumes on Monday, with the dual citizenship issue still front and centre, together with the debate over the cost of living and the government’s attempt to get the rest of its company tax package legislated.

The poll is in line with the general feeling in political circles that Turnbull has picked up his game and Shorten is under pressure, especially as a result of the citizenship issue, with a byelection fightwith the Greens in the Labor seat of Batman and the threat of more byelections in ALP seats.

But the Coalition is still on track to losing 30 consecutive polls – the number Turnbull highlighted when challenging for the prime ministership in 2015.

Turnbull leads Shorten as preferred prime minister by 45% (up four points) to 31% (down three points). This is the biggest lead Turnbull has had since August.

Labor’s primary vote remains on 37%, and the Greens are unchanged on 10% but there has been a further fall in the One Nation vote, which is now on 5%, compared with 10% in mid-November. The Coalition is benefiting from the One Nation decline in support.

In the citizenship battle, the government is continuing to push for Susan Lamb, Labor member in the marginal Queensland seat of Longman, to resign – as David Feeney did in Batman last week – because she is a dual British citizen. The government has threatened to refer her, as well as two other Labor MPs, to the High Court.

Following his criticism last week of rising health insurance premiums, Shorten on Sunday announced a Labor government would freeze premium increases to 2% in each of its first two years in office. The opposition says this would leave a family who paid the national average premium A$340 better off in total over the two years. The average premium for a family, including obstetrics, is $4,731 a year.

http://theconversation.com/encouragement-for-turnbull-in-newspoll-as-parliamentary-year-starts-91216



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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Hmmm ... a kick up in the polls for the Government ... Thank You Bullgelati Bill!Hug
 


“Don’t worry,” one of the Liberals told the Chinese  businessman. “We have offshore accounts.”
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Turnbull's back, baby.Thumbs Up The good thing about Turnbull winning is that it pisses everybody off- the trogs in his own party and the latte crowd who thought he was a progressive- and that's funny.LOL
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Turnbull back is only good only if the move to the center is real. 

With Molan, Shelton Muir and others either moving or indicating moving into the ranks of the far right of politics and more importantly the right of the coalition, that might be easier said than done. 

We will have to suffer more of the same chaos ruling rather than governing without a complete purge of RWNJs at a future election
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Ooops! ... looks like CNNPT missed some more great news for the NationEmbarrassed ... The LNP team just keeps attracting quality people ... the same people keep on shunning the Greens/ALP coalition.Dead

'Australian success story': PM welcomes Gichuhi to Liberals

South Australian Senator Lucy Gichuhi has joined the Liberal Party, reducing the size of the crossbench and boosting the government's numbers.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australian-success-story-pm-welcomes-gichuhi-to-liberals
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Hmmm ... a kick up in the polls for the Government ... Thank You Bullgelati Bill!Hug
 


“Don’t worry,” one of the Liberals told the Chinese  businessman. “We have offshore accounts.”

Maybe you missed this again Doc?
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After consulting with the Chinese broker, the businessman says he offered his Liberal contact up to $2 million in donations. He also says he cautioned that the donations should only be discussed face to face: “no phone calls, no emails”

Where have we heard no phones before?Confused
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Ummm ... some poor dumbass ALP "patsy" ... his name escapes me? ... fame sure is fleeting!Embarrassed
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Cory Bernardi actually said this on Sky News(admittedly his safe space, so could have been a bit loose)

*Offer not applicable nor available to gay people.

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... I think it goes without saying Mr Incredible ... or are you suggesting that Gays and Lesbians and Bisexuals and all the other's with mental illnesses are somehow more morally virtuous than normal people ... just ask the HIV Aids Virus about that one! LOL
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... I think it goes without saying Mr Incredible ... or are you suggesting that Gays and Lesbians and Bisexuals and all the other's with mental illnesses are somehow more morally virtuous than normal people ... just ask the HIV Aids Virus about that one! LOL

The irony is palpable. Based on your posts on TBV arguably many if not most would be more morally virtuous than you and certainly many those support, but absolutely no doubt whatsoever they'd all have more mental acuity and stability.
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Should qualify that by admitting I haven't met, nor do I know even a fraction of a percent of those your abuse is aimed at whereas you obviously know most of them well.Clown

I'm sure you'll be along shortly to explain the link between "moral virtuosity" (whatever that is) and disease. That would be worthy of as Nobel prize if indeed you can show any credible link. 

Even ignoring your tenuous assertion that sex between consenting adults has a distinct "moral" aspect (are fellation and cunnilingus "immoral" in your world?) it seems that STDs don't discriminate, even though homosexual men are more likely to figure in the stats.

Here are a couple of questions for you.
Is the (conveniently non-legal-entity) Catholic Church morally virtuous?
What morally virtuous characterists does your hero the Great White Dope have?

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Don't go reading too much into it, just a simple question for Mr Incredible, since he chose to put words into Senator Bernardi's mouth - you did got some bits right though - STDs don't discriminate, even though homosexual men are more likely to figure in the stats - kudos, they are more promiscuous than a Married At First Sight contestant!Thumbs Up

I'm not Catholic or racist, so I'll have to leave those questions for others more qualified.

One question for you - do you think the first legally "married" LGBTQI citizen has cheated on it's spouse with a co-worker yet?Confused

PS: The ones with "mental illness" is a reference to the other 57 Heinz Varieties of the BTQI, etc. who commonly identify as animals and inanimate objects or are prone to mutilating their minds and genitals at the suggestion of the "helpful idiots" of Marxism as soon as they show even a fleeting interest in a gender neutral toy ... not the Gays and Lesbians, who in general are just as likely to be "touched" as the rest of the population, in my experience. 

One more question, since the "B"s still confuse me. Why does a bi-sexual care so much about legal marriage - doesn't adultery become unavoidable for a traditionally "married" couple who consciously swing both ways, simply by definition!?Confused 
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Your inability to make sense of basic information is only matched by your propensity for making ludicrous sweeping statements and assigning opinions and motives to people you know nothing whatsoever about. You may not be stupid (long bow based on your comments over a long period of time) but allowing your ignorance and ideology to blind you is certainly an act of stupidity.

Even primary school kids understood the marriage equality arguments, perhaps you could ask them to explain it to you. Here's a little clue - ask them why discrimination isn't something to be cherished (unless you're a rwnj like Bernardi of course).
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How's the treatise on the relationship between "moral virtuosity"/sex/disease coming along btw? Noticed you've avoided a key question so I'll highlight it for you : are fellation and cunnilingus "immoral" in your world?  

While you're contemplating that exceedingly simple question perhaps you could also enlighten the forum as to your definition of "moral virtuousity".  Is it sex outside marriage for example? Would that include the thousands of people in long term de facto relationships or just singles? Particular acts between consenting adults? 
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I Once Loved My Country...
I remember back in quite a few years living in Country NSW, that the 3 major cities back then were Sydney, Melbourne & Adelaide, which was the Industrial City.
Adelaide - South Australia was were you went to work in the Iron Ore Industry or where you could get a job making railway tracks for B.H.P.
You could get a job building ships, submarines, cars, washing machines, fridges,
TV’s, Hills hoists, Victa Lawn Mowers, or make tyres at Bridgestone tyres.
Lightburn Washing Machine Company even made a car called a Zeta. wash soft drink bottles , pick fruit , peas , dig potatoes. & Holdens fit in somewhere.
They were ordinary cars , but at least it was Australian and we built it.
Some worked at Stanvac where we made our own Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene and Oil.    Glen davis near Lithgow mined shale ( long time now a ghost town )
We had Oil Rigs in Bass Straight, North West Shelf and the Timor Sea.
We even had Australian owned Service Stations like (H.C. Sleigh) Golden Fleece and many of us young wanna-be mechanics back then worked as a driveway attendant.
Catch a train a train from the city to Gawler and then on to Freeling, Hamley Bridge, Stockport, Riverton, up to Clare, Gladstone, Laura etc.
And all these towns were bustling with activity and on the weekends they were all open for business.
Our shops were filled on every shelf with food and products all proudly made or grown in Australia.
Our fridge was full of Lamb Chops and Steaks because it was cheap as we were a huge Lamb and Beef growing Nation. Not to mention our Merino Wool = best in the world.
And once a month Mum would make us all a delicacy!
It was called a Sunday Roast Chicken.
I remember when we all had trade skills and high quality tools that would last and last.   We grew up LEARNING and could excel at any JOB ( now a Trade )
But most of all we had Mates. We as Australians watched each other’s backs even if we had not met yet, and we all said G'day to everyone with a smile.
Our kids could go anywhere they liked on their bikes just as long as they were home before dark.
Australia was pretty safe back then.    It was generally a NO NO to harm a woman or a child.
Yes Australia was once a self-supporting nation that had it all.
It had Farms that produce our dairy, fruit & vegies and meats etc.
And Politicians back then were known as statesmen and they were voted by the people for the people on behalf of the people and did what the people wanted.    And that didn't include bonking the staff.
We had public utilities owned by us the people that guaranteed our Electricity, Water and Sewage forever.
No one knew how much the Snowy Mountain Scheme cost, we just built it.
No one knew how much the Sydney Harbour Bridge or the Indian-Pacific railway cost! The Opera House was just some toffs week ender.
WE JUST BUILT IT!
Then came CORPORATE GREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now everything productive above has GONE.
Now we don’t watch each other’s backs anymore but watch each other through security bars,
burglar alarms, and security screens.
Now we dob each other in.
Now we import poor quality processed food from the Asians
Now we import cheap tools from China, that break just taking them out of the packet they come in.
Now we rely on ships to bring in our fuels.
Now we can’t afford our own quality Lamb or Beef anymore. for export only
Most can’t afford to turn on their air conditioners any longer.
Now we eat steroid pumped chicken just about every day.
Now we import trade skill workers on 457 Visa’s
Now we have high unemployment as nearly all of our Industry and Manufacturing has gone offshore.
Now we have that many Laws that we have just about outlawed ourselves.
But I guess we need even more laws so now we will have Sharia Law as well
We now pay for water that falls out of the sky at $3.80 a litre.
Now we have taxes for everything.

Taxes for carbon, taxes for sake of having taxes, (They call them Levy’s).
And don’t forget the newest tax is the ISLAMIC TAX (Halal Certification) - Millions being grabbed by the Muslems
Now in South Australia, and most regional areas we have Railway Stations and railway tracks but no trains.
We have Public Bus Stops in our Towns but no buses.
We have Hospitals and Clinics but no Doctors or Nurses. ( unless we import some )
We all have Mobile Phones and have little to no reception.
We have Hi definition Digital TV’s with stuff all Signal and very little hi definition programming.
And the worst of all is our once great nation is being sold off piece by piece to every other country on earth except us.
Yes I did once love my country !
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Your inability to make sense of basic information is only matched by your propensity for making ludicrous sweeping statements and assigning opinions and motives to people you know nothing whatsoever about. You may not be stupid (long bow based on your comments over a long period of time) but allowing your ignorance and ideology to blind you is certainly an act of stupidity.

Even primary school kids understood the marriage equality arguments, perhaps you could ask them to explain it to you. Here's a little clue - ask them why discrimination isn't something to be cherished (unless you're a rwnj like Bernardi of course).

Let me know when you work out what you are trying to say ... Cheers!Wink
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

How's the treatise on the relationship between "moral virtuosity"/sex/disease coming along btw? Noticed you've avoided a key question so I'll highlight it for you : are fellation and cunnilingus "immoral" in your world?  

While you're contemplating that exceedingly simple question perhaps you could also enlighten the forum as to your definition of "moral virtuousity".  Is it sex outside marriage for example? Would that include the thousands of people in long term de facto relationships or just singles? Particular acts between consenting adults? 

RUOK?

Has your blow up doll suffered a puncture, or have you misplaced the ole anal intruder?

Stay calm and blow hard(er).Wacko

Really not sure how any of that might be relevant, and, not sure I can help you if you have to ask? ... but I'll deflect your questions (and the hysteria and outrage) to Mr Incredible, who is responsible for taking you down this rabbit hole in the first place ... oh, and take a pill ... or two.
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Oh so that’s how you explain moral virtuosity.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I Once Loved My Country...
I remember back in quite a few years living in Country NSW, that the 3 major cities back then were Sydney, Melbourne & Adelaide, which was the Industrial City.
Adelaide - South Australia was were you went to work in the Iron Ore Industry or where you could get a job making railway tracks for B.H.P.
You could get a job building ships, submarines, cars, washing machines, fridges,
TV’s, Hills hoists, Victa Lawn Mowers, or make tyres at Bridgestone tyres.
Lightburn Washing Machine Company even made a car called a Zeta. wash soft drink bottles , pick fruit , peas , dig potatoes. & Holdens fit in somewhere.
They were ordinary cars , but at least it was Australian and we built it.
Some worked at Stanvac where we made our own Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene and Oil.    Glen davis near Lithgow mined shale ( long time now a ghost town )
We had Oil Rigs in Bass Straight, North West Shelf and the Timor Sea.
We even had Australian owned Service Stations like (H.C. Sleigh) Golden Fleece and many of us young wanna-be mechanics back then worked as a driveway attendant.
Catch a train a train from the city to Gawler and then on to Freeling, Hamley Bridge, Stockport, Riverton, up to Clare, Gladstone, Laura etc.
And all these towns were bustling with activity and on the weekends they were all open for business.
Our shops were filled on every shelf with food and products all proudly made or grown in Australia.
Our fridge was full of Lamb Chops and Steaks because it was cheap as we were a huge Lamb and Beef growing Nation. Not to mention our Merino Wool = best in the world.
And once a month Mum would make us all a delicacy!
It was called a Sunday Roast Chicken.
I remember when we all had trade skills and high quality tools that would last and last.   We grew up LEARNING and could excel at any JOB ( now a Trade )
But most of all we had Mates. We as Australians watched each other’s backs even if we had not met yet, and we all said G'day to everyone with a smile.
Our kids could go anywhere they liked on their bikes just as long as they were home before dark.
Australia was pretty safe back then.    It was generally a NO NO to harm a woman or a child.
Yes Australia was once a self-supporting nation that had it all.
It had Farms that produce our dairy, fruit & vegies and meats etc.
And Politicians back then were known as statesmen and they were voted by the people for the people on behalf of the people and did what the people wanted.    And that didn't include bonking the staff.
We had public utilities owned by us the people that guaranteed our Electricity, Water and Sewage forever.
No one knew how much the Snowy Mountain Scheme cost, we just built it.
No one knew how much the Sydney Harbour Bridge or the Indian-Pacific railway cost! The Opera House was just some toffs week ender.
WE JUST BUILT IT!
Then came CORPORATE GREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now everything productive above has GONE.
Now we don’t watch each other’s backs anymore but watch each other through security bars,
burglar alarms, and security screens.
Now we dob each other in.
Now we import poor quality processed food from the Asians
Now we import cheap tools from China, that break just taking them out of the packet they come in.
Now we rely on ships to bring in our fuels.
Now we can’t afford our own quality Lamb or Beef anymore. for export only
Most can’t afford to turn on their air conditioners any longer.
Now we eat steroid pumped chicken just about every day.
Now we import trade skill workers on 457 Visa’s
Now we have high unemployment as nearly all of our Industry and Manufacturing has gone offshore.
Now we have that many Laws that we have just about outlawed ourselves.
But I guess we need even more laws so now we will have Sharia Law as well
We now pay for water that falls out of the sky at $3.80 a litre.
Now we have taxes for everything.

Taxes for carbon, taxes for sake of having taxes, (They call them Levy’s).
And don’t forget the newest tax is the ISLAMIC TAX (Halal Certification) - Millions being grabbed by the Muslems
Now in South Australia, and most regional areas we have Railway Stations and railway tracks but no trains.
We have Public Bus Stops in our Towns but no buses.
We have Hospitals and Clinics but no Doctors or Nurses. ( unless we import some )
We all have Mobile Phones and have little to no reception.
We have Hi definition Digital TV’s with stuff all Signal and very little hi definition programming.
And the worst of all is our once great nation is being sold off piece by piece to every other country on earth except us.
Yes I did once love my country !

Yeah what would you know you old bugger  ClapClap
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I Once Loved My Country...
I remember back in quite a few years living in Country NSW, that the 3 major cities back then were Sydney, Melbourne & Adelaide, which was the Industrial City.
Adelaide - South Australia was were you went to work in the Iron Ore Industry or where you could get a job making railway tracks for B.H.P.
You could get a job building ships, submarines, cars, washing machines, fridges,
TV’s, Hills hoists, Victa Lawn Mowers, or make tyres at Bridgestone tyres.
Lightburn Washing Machine Company even made a car called a Zeta. wash soft drink bottles , pick fruit , peas , dig potatoes. & Holdens fit in somewhere.
They were ordinary cars , but at least it was Australian and we built it.
Some worked at Stanvac where we made our own Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene and Oil.    Glen davis near Lithgow mined shale ( long time now a ghost town )
We had Oil Rigs in Bass Straight, North West Shelf and the Timor Sea.
We even had Australian owned Service Stations like (H.C. Sleigh) Golden Fleece and many of us young wanna-be mechanics back then worked as a driveway attendant.
Catch a train a train from the city to Gawler and then on to Freeling, Hamley Bridge, Stockport, Riverton, up to Clare, Gladstone, Laura etc.
And all these towns were bustling with activity and on the weekends they were all open for business.
Our shops were filled on every shelf with food and products all proudly made or grown in Australia.
Our fridge was full of Lamb Chops and Steaks because it was cheap as we were a huge Lamb and Beef growing Nation. Not to mention our Merino Wool = best in the world.
And once a month Mum would make us all a delicacy!
It was called a Sunday Roast Chicken.
I remember when we all had trade skills and high quality tools that would last and last.   We grew up LEARNING and could excel at any JOB ( now a Trade )
But most of all we had Mates. We as Australians watched each other’s backs even if we had not met yet, and we all said G'day to everyone with a smile.
Our kids could go anywhere they liked on their bikes just as long as they were home before dark.
Australia was pretty safe back then.    It was generally a NO NO to harm a woman or a child.
Yes Australia was once a self-supporting nation that had it all.
It had Farms that produce our dairy, fruit & vegies and meats etc.
And Politicians back then were known as statesmen and they were voted by the people for the people on behalf of the people and did what the people wanted.    And that didn't include bonking the staff.
We had public utilities owned by us the people that guaranteed our Electricity, Water and Sewage forever.
No one knew how much the Snowy Mountain Scheme cost, we just built it.
No one knew how much the Sydney Harbour Bridge or the Indian-Pacific railway cost! The Opera House was just some toffs week ender.
WE JUST BUILT IT!
Then came CORPORATE GREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now everything productive above has GONE.
Now we don’t watch each other’s backs anymore but watch each other through security bars,
burglar alarms, and security screens.
Now we dob each other in.
Now we import poor quality processed food from the Asians
Now we import cheap tools from China, that break just taking them out of the packet they come in.
Now we rely on ships to bring in our fuels.
Now we can’t afford our own quality Lamb or Beef anymore. for export only
Most can’t afford to turn on their air conditioners any longer.
Now we eat steroid pumped chicken just about every day.
Now we import trade skill workers on 457 Visa’s
Now we have high unemployment as nearly all of our Industry and Manufacturing has gone offshore.
Now we have that many Laws that we have just about outlawed ourselves.
But I guess we need even more laws so now we will have Sharia Law as well
We now pay for water that falls out of the sky at $3.80 a litre.
Now we have taxes for everything.

Taxes for carbon, taxes for sake of having taxes, (They call them Levy’s).
And don’t forget the newest tax is the ISLAMIC TAX (Halal Certification) - Millions being grabbed by the Muslems
Now in South Australia, and most regional areas we have Railway Stations and railway tracks but no trains.
We have Public Bus Stops in our Towns but no buses.
We have Hospitals and Clinics but no Doctors or Nurses. ( unless we import some )
We all have Mobile Phones and have little to no reception.
We have Hi definition Digital TV’s with stuff all Signal and very little hi definition programming.
And the worst of all is our once great nation is being sold off piece by piece to every other country on earth except us.
Yes I did once love my country !



Stolen from the Stand Up For Australia group.
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Jeez Macca,
some of that may be true but if you are really that depressed about Australia i'd jump on the next plane to Donnyland. He and Shammy will look after you in your dotterage
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I Once Loved My Country...
I remember back in quite a few years living in Country NSW, that the 3 major cities back then were Sydney, Melbourne & Adelaide, which was the Industrial City.
Adelaide - South Australia was were you went to work in the Iron Ore Industry or where you could get a job making railway tracks for B.H.P.
You could get a job building ships, submarines, cars, washing machines, fridges,
TV’s, Hills hoists, Victa Lawn Mowers, or make tyres at Bridgestone tyres.
Lightburn Washing Machine Company even made a car called a Zeta. wash soft drink bottles , pick fruit , peas , dig potatoes. & Holdens fit in somewhere.
They were ordinary cars , but at least it was Australian and we built it.
Some worked at Stanvac where we made our own Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene and Oil.    Glen davis near Lithgow mined shale ( long time now a ghost town )
We had Oil Rigs in Bass Straight, North West Shelf and the Timor Sea.
We even had Australian owned Service Stations like (H.C. Sleigh) Golden Fleece and many of us young wanna-be mechanics back then worked as a driveway attendant.
Catch a train a train from the city to Gawler and then on to Freeling, Hamley Bridge, Stockport, Riverton, up to Clare, Gladstone, Laura etc.
And all these towns were bustling with activity and on the weekends they were all open for business.
Our shops were filled on every shelf with food and products all proudly made or grown in Australia.
Our fridge was full of Lamb Chops and Steaks because it was cheap as we were a huge Lamb and Beef growing Nation. Not to mention our Merino Wool = best in the world.
And once a month Mum would make us all a delicacy!
It was called a Sunday Roast Chicken.
I remember when we all had trade skills and high quality tools that would last and last.   We grew up LEARNING and could excel at any JOB ( now a Trade )
But most of all we had Mates. We as Australians watched each other’s backs even if we had not met yet, and we all said G'day to everyone with a smile.
Our kids could go anywhere they liked on their bikes just as long as they were home before dark.
Australia was pretty safe back then.    It was generally a NO NO to harm a woman or a child.
Yes Australia was once a self-supporting nation that had it all.
It had Farms that produce our dairy, fruit & vegies and meats etc.
And Politicians back then were known as statesmen and they were voted by the people for the people on behalf of the people and did what the people wanted.    And that didn't include bonking the staff.
We had public utilities owned by us the people that guaranteed our Electricity, Water and Sewage forever.
No one knew how much the Snowy Mountain Scheme cost, we just built it.
No one knew how much the Sydney Harbour Bridge or the Indian-Pacific railway cost! The Opera House was just some toffs week ender.
WE JUST BUILT IT!
Then came CORPORATE GREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now everything productive above has GONE.
Now we don’t watch each other’s backs anymore but watch each other through security bars,
burglar alarms, and security screens.
Now we dob each other in.
Now we import poor quality processed food from the Asians
Now we import cheap tools from China, that break just taking them out of the packet they come in.
Now we rely on ships to bring in our fuels.
Now we can’t afford our own quality Lamb or Beef anymore. for export only
Most can’t afford to turn on their air conditioners any longer.
Now we eat steroid pumped chicken just about every day.
Now we import trade skill workers on 457 Visa’s
Now we have high unemployment as nearly all of our Industry and Manufacturing has gone offshore.
Now we have that many Laws that we have just about outlawed ourselves.
But I guess we need even more laws so now we will have Sharia Law as well
We now pay for water that falls out of the sky at $3.80 a litre.
Now we have taxes for everything.

Taxes for carbon, taxes for sake of having taxes, (They call them Levy’s).
And don’t forget the newest tax is the ISLAMIC TAX (Halal Certification) - Millions being grabbed by the Muslems
Now in South Australia, and most regional areas we have Railway Stations and railway tracks but no trains.
We have Public Bus Stops in our Towns but no buses.
We have Hospitals and Clinics but no Doctors or Nurses. ( unless we import some )
We all have Mobile Phones and have little to no reception.
We have Hi definition Digital TV’s with stuff all Signal and very little hi definition programming.
And the worst of all is our once great nation is being sold off piece by piece to every other country on earth except us.
Yes I did once love my country !



Stolen from the Stand Up For Australia group.

A modicum of truth. Ruined by the mass of hyperbole and good smattering of inanity. 
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Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

Jeez Macca,
some of that may be true but if you are really that depressed about Australia i'd jump on the next plane to Donnyland. He and Shammy will look after you in your dotterage


No big deal and it touched a few nerves , it appears.

It was a copy & paste of course , but truly points to so much we have lost through bad Government in this Country.

We need a ruthless Dictator ,   and sadly I can't put my hand up ,

For the very reason, I would be no more , being over 80.
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The selling off of our mineral and petroleum resources for bottom dollar return to the common wealth (ie all Australians) is one of the great travesties of modern politics. Wouldn't have happened pre Howard when Lib and Labor were less intent on power and more focused on the national good. The compromises and bipartisanship of a few decades ago are almost a dim memory unfortunately. Now power is everything and the people and the national benefit can get fcuked.

Both major parties share some of the blame on the national resource disgrace but HowCost's ludicrously generous tax concessions to multinational petro companies (which see Australia getting  40 times less return on its gas assets than Oman for the same amount of gas from memory), and Abbott's destruction of the MRRT  get the gold medal for incompetence and selling out the Australian people. We also share the blame because we are just too bloody complacent and smug to demand change. 
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Great to see the gorgeous Kristina replace that little grub Dastyari. I hope they position her in the senate so we can see her easily & not with the other token hand maidens
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