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Shows what a great leader Abbott is.     He doesn't have a tap to turn on to the deviates dam.       The NLP Ladies appear to have lower testosterone levels.
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With only one in cabinet, obviously serving the morning tea, who hands out the Iced Vo Vos?
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Arthur Sinodinos not in cabinet.        Perhaps because of certain company shares.

November last year. Says the 5% stake was held for him under a gentlemans agreement

Febuary this year says. I did not request at anytime shares be held on my behalf.

1 week in and things are beginning to unravel
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http://www.afr.com/p/national/top_senator_sinodinos_on_the_outer_YRa20eq0pRfTy96qjlnxEL

Senior Coalition sources said there had been “question marks” raised internally over the last week about whether Senator Sinodinos may have to appear before a corruption inquiry related to a directorship he once held. Senator Sinodinos, a renowned figure inside the Coalition and former National Australia Bank executive, maintains he has done nothing wrong and his colleagues support him.
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Malcolm's a bit sensitive to the truth it seams.   


news Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has savagely attacked a University of Queensland lecturer for a seemingly innocuous article analysing rising online dissent towards the Coalition’s NBN policy, inaccurately labelling the academic’s article as “false” and “misleading”, and claiming that it was “a disgrace”.

Since the Coalition won power in last week’s Federal Election, a vigorous online movement focused on getting the new Abbott administration to abandon its own National Broadband Network policy and support Labor’s existing vision has been gaining force. Supporters of Labor’s vision argue that it will serve Australia’s long-term interests much better, as it features an all-fibre NBN, delivering a more reliable network and faster speeds.

The Coalition’s version of the NBN policy will see part of Telstra’s existing copper network maintained, in what is termed a ‘fibre to the node’ deployment. The model has been extensively and successfully deployed in countries such as the UK, but proponents of Labor’s policy have highlighted the fact that it offers limited speed boosts over currently available broadband in Australia (up to 100Mbps as a top-end limit), compared with Labor’s NBN, which will offer enhanced levels of reliability and speeds up to 1Gbps, coupled with significantly enhanced upload speeds.

Industry experts have consistently stated that they believe Labor’s NBN policy to be highly technically superior to the Coalition’s more modest vision, and having the potential to deliver Australia superior long-term outcomes in terms of service delivery and boosting Australia’s economy through productivity gains. In addition, questions have been raised about the extent to whether it’s possible to deploy the FTTN technology the Coalition is focused on in Australia and whether it will perform as the Coalition has claimed.
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Memo to Question"s: No you don't find more wrong with the budget as you have the PEFO. If you think the LNP can state its worse than we thought then you should be mad as hell as they knew ALL beforehand. To not do so is to pander to party politics at the expense of the nation and honest Govt.
Macca, do you also post on the ABC website?
I wonder as they have a macca just like you! Ignorant of the facts , delusional and maybe in love with Mr Abbott. lol just jokes ....

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MC41 can I add that the NBN is rolled gold when it comes to military apps and security.
Its brilliant and , heaven forbid, if we are invaded the first thing attacked is communications....and its very difficult to target.
Let alone medical, education, life support, infrastructure apps. No lets get to a surplus instead eh'..
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Hockey may delay bad budget news

PUBLISHED: 15 HOURS 3 MINUTES AGO | UPDATE: 1 HOUR 55 MINUTES AGO

PHILLIP COOREY AND JOHN KEHOE

The incoming Abbott government is considering delaying until late January the mid-year budget update to avoid hurting confidence over the Christmas shopping season.

Treasury briefings over the past week have driven home to the new ­government the risks to the economy. The economic forecasts and predictions contained in August’s Pre-Election Economic and Fiscal Outlook are already obsolete, the new government has been told.

On election night, incoming Treasurer Joe Hockey urged Australians to spend big over Christmas. Since then, reports showed a rebound in consumer and business confidence during the election campaign.

There are fears inside the Coalition, however, that if the Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook, normally released before Christmas, shows a further deterioration in the government’s finances and a slower economic outlook, confidence over the crucial period for retailers could be hurt.

Furthermore, there have been several recent economic updates, each more downbeat than the other, and the government would like a break in the bad economic news, which started with the May 14 budget. It was followed by the Labor government’s economic statement in early August, just before it called the election, and the pre-election ­economic outlook 10 days into the ­campaign.

Senior sources said Treasury would like to release the Mid-Year-Economic and Fiscal Outlook (MYEFO) in November but the new government is pushing back. Under the rules it does not have to release the outlook until the end of ­January and this option is under consideration. If the MYEFO is delayed, it would contradict a commitment Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott gave in his speech to the Liberal Party election campaign launch when he promised a MYEFO within 100 days of being elected. “The true state of Labor’s books will be revealed,’’ he said.

HOCKEY SUSPECTS MORE CUTS

Former treasurer Wayne Swan said if Mr Hockey delayed the release of the MYEFO until after Christmas, it would be unprecedented and a sign of “swingeing” budget cuts to come.

“In Joe Hockey’s own words, why won’t he release the true state of the books? What has he got to hide?” Mr Swan said. “Why is he hiding till everyone’s on holiday? It’s because more cuts will be the Coalition’s late Christmas present to Australia.’’

In the days since the September 7 election, the Coalition has been preparing for an about-face on the economy. On Saturday, the AFR Weekend revealed the new government was looking at boosting infrastructure spending over the next 12 to 18 months to fill a larger than expected growth gap as the resources investment boom ends.

“We are going to have to spend some money because the gap in capital investment with the end of the mining boom is far more dramatic than expected,’’ a government source said.

Mr Abbott has described himself as the “infrastructure prime minister” and promised to plunder the foreign aid budget by $4.5 billion to fast-track large projects, such as Sydney’s WestConnex motorway, which will extend the M4 freeway to Sydney Airport. This money could now be increased.

Economists have welcomed the Coalition’s shift in priorities but question how much the government can plug the growth gap.

“It’s the Keating-esque objective to reach surplus over time,’’ Deloitte Access Economics’ Chris Richardson said. Mr Richardson said the Reserve Bank of Australia would shoulder most of the responsibility to stimulate the economy through low interest rates.

“The period of maximum danger is between now and the end of 2015.

“Across that time, we will see the wind-down in spending on mega-mining projects. The shrinking by 2.5 per cent to 3 per cent as a share of the economy almost takes one year of economic growth away over three years.’’

Bank of America’s chief Australia economist, Saul Eslake, told investors in New York the Coalition’s new position on budget policy was encouraging.

“I think that is appropriate given what I consider to be a challenging outlook for the Australian economy over the next few years,” he said.

“The right thing to do in that context is to boost infrastructure spending.”

MISLEADING THE PEOPLE, SAYS LABOR

The Labor opposition was less forgiving, given it endured years of taunts while in government about being un­able to return the budget to surplus.

Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said the Coalition’s about-face on the economy amounted to misleading the people and made a mockery of its pre-election claims of a budget emergency.

“We allegedly had a budget emergency, allegedly we had a budget crisis that needed to be fixed,’’ he said.

“Now we see on the front page of the Financial Review, Mr Hockey talking about the need to stimulate the economy and spend more money and ‘we’re going to have a great Christmas’, he said, ‘spend up big’. So we had one view before the election and miraculously after the election a different view.”

Deputy Prime Minister-elect Julie Bishop said on Sunday “the budget is certainly in a parlous state’’ and “you will see some significant announcements’’ from Mr Hockey after the ­government was sworn in, most likely on Tuesday. The most recent budget trajectory, as contained in PEFO, forecasts a return to surplus in 2016-17.

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The Misogynist appoints 1 female, Julie (balls of steel) Bishop to his front bench.
Obviously believes the female of the species is good for breeding and not much else
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Originally posted by Bagman Bagman wrote:

MC41 can I add that the NBN is rolled gold when it comes to military apps and security.
Its brilliant and , heaven forbid, if we are invaded the first thing attacked is communications....and its very difficult to target.
Let alone medical, education, life support, infrastructure apps. No lets get to a surplus instead eh'..


Pretty much all of that should be available under the LNP's NBN plan.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

The Misogynist appoints 1 female, Julie (balls of steel) Bishop to his front bench.
Obviously believes the female of the species is good for breeding and not much else

Are there many to choose from?
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Voss, no it wont.
The world is leaping ahead in terms of technology. For instance the Indonesians aren't that far behind us in the mil tech stakes. The nodes are then targets for insurgents.
'pretty much' doesn't future proof anything.
That's the BIG issue now. Do we want to settle for 'pretty much' or do we want to get the job done ,properly, the first time?
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

The Misogynist appoints 1 female, Julie (balls of steel) Bishop to his front bench.
Obviously believes the female of the species is good for breeding and not much else

Are there many to choose from?

No because the Lib party pre selects so few women. Only 1 in 5 were women at this election.
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To use an example of yours from a while ago Bagman - why wouldn't a surgeon in Melbourne be able to operate a robot in Sydney?


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Tony Abbott's Cabinet and outer ministry

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September 16, 2013 - 3:40PM

 

Cabinet - 19 members, including the prime minister

Tony Abbott (NSW) - Prime Minister

Warren Truss (Qld) - Deputy Prime Minister; Infrastructure and Regional Development, Leader of the Nationals

Julie Bishop (WA) - Foreign Affairs; Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party

Eric Abetz (Tas) - Employment; assisting the Prime Minister on the Public Service; Leader of the Government in the Senate

George Brandis (Qld)- Attorney-General; Arts; Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate

Joe Hockey (NSW) - Treasurer

Barnaby Joyce (NSW) - Agriculture

Christopher Pyne (SA) - Education; Leader of the House

Nigel Scullion (NT) - Indigenous Affairs

Ian Macfarlane (Qld) - Industry

Kevin Andrews (Vic) - Social Services

Malcolm Turnbull (NSW) - Communications

Peter Dutton (Qld) - Health; Sport'

Bruce Billson (Vic) - Small Business

Andrew Robb (Vic) - Trade and Investment

David Johnston (WA) - Defence

Greg Hunt (Vic) - Environment

Scott Morrison (NSW) - Immigration and Border Protection

Mathias Cormann (WA) - Finance

Outer ministry - 11 members

Mitch Fifield - Assistant Minister for Social Services; Manager of Government Business in the Senate

Luke Hartsuyker - Assistant Minister for Employment; Deputy Leader of the House

Fiona Nash - Assistant Minister for Health; Deputy Leader of the Nationals in the Senate

Michael Ronaldson - Veterans' Affairs; Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC; Special Minister of State

Sussan Ley - Assistant Minister for Education

Marise Payne - Human Services

Michael Keenan - Justice

Stuart Robert - Assistant Minister for Defence

Michaelia Cash - Assistant Minister for Immigration and Border Protection; Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Women

Jamie Briggs - Assistant Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development

Arthur Sinodinos - Assistant Treasurer

Parliamentary secretaries - 12 members

Richard Colbeck - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Agriculture

Bob Baldwin - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Industry

Brett Mason - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Foreign Affairs

Steven Ciobo - Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Social Services

Simon Birmingham - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for the Environment

Scott Ryan - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Education

Darren Chester - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Defence

Paul Fletcher - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Communications

Josh Frydenberg - Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister

Alan Tudge - Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minster

Michael McCormack - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Finance

Total ministry: 30 members (excluding parliamentary secretaries)

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Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

To use an example of yours from a while ago Bagman - why wouldn't a surgeon in Melbourne be able to operate a robot in Sydney?




Under the LNP NBN I mean.
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Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

To use an example of yours from a while ago Bagman - why wouldn't a surgeon in Melbourne be able to operate a robot in Sydney?




Under the LNP NBN I mean.

Mediocrity is the aspiration of this govt, not only in communications. We will retreat behind our borders and switch the lights off under this PM. 
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Excellent point Voss..... when it comes to operations having a dedicated line, fibre, leaves NO overuse issues eg max load for the noad. The boffins call it band width shaping.
You see fibre to router is OK as routers can currently handle 92 terabits per second the copper cannot.
So if we do that ,then we get down to the 'who needs it and who doesnt' type situation. Do we link all public hospitals?? Defence organisations?? IF we do it right the first time we can have 4000 (Im being facetious) surgeons in Melb operating on Sydney patients.
A thousand defence members using 3D apps whilst training etc etc the options if we do it whole will future proof our nation.
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Dammit NODE. I think a noad lives in the bottom of Brookes garden along with the fairy conspiratorial union.
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Originally posted by Bagman Bagman wrote:

Excellent point Voss..... when it comes to operations having a dedicated line, fibre, leaves NO overuse issues eg max load for the noad. The boffins call it band width shaping.
You see fibre to router is OK as routers can currently handle 92 terabits per second the copper cannot.
So if we do that ,then we get down to the 'who needs it and who doesnt' type situation. Do we link all public hospitals?? Defence organisations?? IF we do it right the first time we can have 4000 (Im being facetious) surgeons in Melb operating on Sydney patients.
A thousand defence members using 3D apps whilst training etc etc the options if we do it whole will future proof our nation.


I was under the impression all medical facilities, education facilities, business centres, industrial parks, Government and military buildings would be getting FTTP - exactly the same as Labor's plan.

I'm quite sure this is correct.

The difference is FTTP v FTTN to domestic users.

Labor was going FTTP to ~95% of the population.

LNP was going FTTP to ~25% of the population and FTTN to ~70% of the population.

So the surgeon in Melbourne can control the robot in Sydney using the LNP's NBN - unless you're saying the surgeon is directing the robot from his ensuite toilet at home instead of from a medical facility?


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No they don't list any Hospitals or defence organisations as priorities or WILL be fibre. (LNP website policies NBN)
They reckon we'll have 25mbps by 2016 and 50mbps by 2019. They also state that the bandwidth crunch is real (LNP website NBN policy) and it needs to be addressed.
You'll also find that some fibre has already been rolled out and the LNP like most politicians would are claiming the amount already rolled out as part of that 25% you state.
If you like I can send you the link to the policy and what Ive just stated.
Or I could finish by saying I don't want a surgeon in his dunny playing with my vital organs.
I will finish by saying you cannot win the argument using only technology -ie fibre , fibre to node- as those that are in power have NEVER said their option is as good as the real thing.
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They have only ever argued this on cost.
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Wisely browndog. The LNP openly admit theirs isn't the same or even close , its a matter of surplus before all.
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As well as who he has put into the Inner Sanctum it should also be noted that the
ministries for:
Science,
Climate change,
Multicultural affairs,
Citizenship,
International Development,
Youth,
Disability,
Housing and Homelessness are now gone. 

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(roads not rail) Infrastructure Tony is correct ... there's no need for any official interest in Science, just take us back towards the 1950's and as the rest don't exist or are of minor (vote winning) importance lets just scrap them too.  Unhappy

Anyone ready to set a book on when that "overwhelming majority" of people who voted this clown in have started denying same?







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Yes JoH, and it seems we don't want tourists eitherOuch Maybe the conservative dullards don't differentiate between tourists and asylum seekers, just keep em all out
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Why are conservatives dullards?
Just a different set of beliefs but held just as strong as yours. Sure some think of weird ways to do things but so does the left.
PS never resort to name calling...even if your right ;)
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I am not saying all conservatives are, I actually voted conservative this time. It is just this leader and his hand picked low hanging fruit cabinet that give the others a bad name
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Tony Abbott's male-heavy cabinet is a disappointment to Tony Abbott

The prime minister elect has talented women 'knocking on the door', but he has more pressing priorities than letting them in

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The cabinet under an Abbott government will have many long-serving men. Photograph: Julian Smith/AAP

When Tony Abbott says he is "disappointed" there aren't more women in his cabinet, what can he mean?

It can't be that he's disappointed with the selection process, because he did it.

It can't be that he's disappointed with the fact there are so many long-serving men there, because it was his decision not to move any of them on.

It can't be because he hasn't any sufficiently talented women MPs, because quite clearly he has.

And when he says there are "binders full" of women "knocking on the door" of the cabinet, and the ministry (OK, he didn't say the bit about binders), it's not clear what he means either, because of his 12 parliamentary secretaries – traditionally a kind of ministerial training ground – only one is a woman and she's there because she's been demoted.

Two women who had been parliamentary secretaries have been promoted into the outer ministry – Nationals senator Fiona Nash and Liberal senator Michaelia Cash.

The truth is that for Abbott, stability and continuity and experience rated as a higher priority than more ministerial representation for women, even when one of only two female cabinet members stood aside because she was likely to lose her seat. He'd always signalled that the cabinet would not change much, and he kept his word. And he wasn't prepared to make many changes in the outer ministry either.

He may have been "disappointed" with the outcome. But not enough to risk the internal destabilisation and possible upheaval and "off-message" ructions of doing anything about it. There are obviously capable women "knocking on the door", it's just not clear when Abbott might run the risk of opening it.

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Mainly semantics.
All of those 'ministries' have been absorbed into larger ministries and responsibility for the portfolio is, as was the case under Labor, allocated to Junior Ministers.
Having them all as separate ministries was more a matter of form than substance trying to imply that each area was 'really important'.
I much prefer Super Ministries where a degree of synergy may be realised.

Ministry of The Status Of Women....please.....
Ministry of Youth....window dressing........

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