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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

PT, I am sure you will suss out an answer for me .Thumbs Up
Who else, besides Aust, live exports animals in such large numbers ? 
Just so we can compare Aust,s gold standards with theirs .


I think the Brazilians are big in the trade. They've probably got the silver medal.
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That graph is very hard to believe- France? No way.
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Live transport in the context of inter EU trade, I cant find, but there is a report on exports outside the EU. 

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France has the largest cattle population in Europe Numbers in millions

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Live transport in the context of inter EU trade, I cant find, but there is a report on exports outside the EU. 



That would be trucking them around Europe- if that's live export there should be another term for what Australia is doing- live to start with torture trade- something like that.
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Yes, as I said figures are not clear and not very current.

One thing is for sure though, Australia as the world's largest live animal exporter dont truck any animals abroad.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

I find it hilarious that when they are not attacking our asylum seeker policies and intake, the biggest punching bags that the ALP/Greens Collusion and our media has at the moment is banking and the live animal trade ... and yet our policies and practices in all three areas are the International Gold Standard! ... we do enjoy bashing ourselves up over nothing, don't we!!!Ermm


Gold standard in live export is no live export. The problem with gold standards in that disgusting trade is that they are largely unenforceable. As for Australian banks being gold standard- where did you get that bullsh1t from? You sound like all those other idiots, mainly from the school of Murdoch, who were ranting about how useless and unnecessary a RC would be.

Did you catch Media Watch on the banking RC last night, PT? Very funny.LOL

You get your financial advice from Media Watch? ... I did see that, and it WAS a sad joke!

Everything that has been exposed in this RC (like all of them) was OLD NEWS, that was either dealt with or being dealt with, by the regulators under the existing laws. 

Our banking and financial system is up there with the most regulated, conservative and successful in the world ... our 4 major banks are all in the top 10 businesses in the country. 

Why do you think we cruised through the GFC? ... it wasn't because of the ALP/Green Collusion's policies of giving money to dead people - see they DO need Financial Advice, particularly if we end up under a Socialist Government! 

... oh and btw, do you know ANYONE who has super or a share portfolio, who does not have a stake in CBA, Westpac, NAB or ANZ and has benefited from all they have done?

I hear the crazy lesbian head of the ALP Sally McManass, has turned her hand to financial advice, and suggested that all Industry Super Funds should divest themselves of bank shares Wacko ... good luck if she ends up running the country with her hand up Bill's ass ...Dead

What a fcuking mororn! ... and yet Bill can only do as she says!!!Ouch

ACTU asks super funds to review ties with banks amid royal commission

Australia's peak union body is calling for industry superannuation funds to review default arrangements with "dodgy banks" in the wake of scandals uncovered by the financial services royal commission.

Australian Council of Trade Unions secretary Sally McManus has written to chief executives of industry super funds asking them to reconsider their commercial relationships with financial institutions following the "corrupt and unethical behaviours" revealed in the royal commission.

"In light of the revelations of the past weeks at the Banking Royal Commission, I am asking Industry super fund CEOs to reconsider their commercial relationships with banks," Ms McManus said in a statement on Tuesday.

"The retirement savings of working people should not be used to prop organisations that house rotten, corrupt and unethical behaviours like those revealed over the past weeks at the Banking Royal Commission."

People who live in glass houses, Sally ....Embarrassed

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/actu-asks-super-funds-to-review-ties-with-banks-amid-royal-commission

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No, I will watch the replay later,  but I read Turnbull admitting to making a ''political miscalculation'in not calling for the RC when it was being loudly called for.

Not a moral or ethical miscalculation, a political one. In other words it ended up costing opinion poll points and then probably votes. That is all that governs their behavior. 

Because that is all it was, a political mistake.

Take away the hysteria, and look at what has been done, it was bad, and heads were already rolling, and the rectification and compensation processes were already in place ... but an RC is an RC - it's only purpose and outcomes will be airing dirty laundry, which only serves to give us a bad reputation internationally (for 5 minutes if anyone even cares), provide cannon fodder for the media to catastrophise over, (but it does sell advertising space), and line the pockets of Lawyers - The CBA alone has allocated $200,000,000 for legal costs, JUST for the RC hearings - just like most of us, I'm a shareholder in CBA, and I'm a bit pissed off about that!Angry
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If they hadn't done anything wrong, or at listened to many many warnings in the past, they would have nothing to worry about.

You are blaming the cops for catching the crooks and making them look bad? LOL
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Come on CNNPT, you're not THAT stupid (unless you're going senile, which could easily be concluded if only from your lunatic claims in the Trump thread), you know exactly what goes on with a Royal Commission ... stop trying to rally the comrades against the evil doers of capitalism!Wink

I just finished telling you that EVERYONE knew they had done wrong, and the "cops" had either already caught the "crooks" or were in the process of doing so ... the Royal Commission is just an opportunity for some more gratuitous Bank Bashing, with an attempt to make political points by saying "I told you so!".

Oh, and can you also explain to the punters what the traditional outcome of a powerless Royal Commission will be?

That's right, some findings (that everyone was aware of) and some recommendations (that will simply be ignored) ... oh and a new wing on a few hundred Lawyers' holiday homes, and a massive waste of taxpayer funds ... Gotta Heart a Royal Commission!Thumbs Up
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Going on the info PT sussed out for me, ( Thank You ) ,  most of that export,  like France for example,  is only cross border stuff  ?  Not weeks crammed on a ship at sea and in the heat of the Persian Gulf ??   Trucking across borders is bad enough.  What we are doing is beyond belief.  And yet we pride ourselves on being a modern 21st century country.  Cry
So how can you say we have gold standards compared to the rest ?  And if what we are doing is gold standard, god help the animals with what the rest are doing. 
PS. Dr E , this isnt a discussion about the crooked bankers feathering their nest.  Its about live export of animals in atrocious conditions.

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I see they are loading up the boats again .  I thought it was halted until it was sorted ? 
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Shorten says he's going to phase it out over 10 years.
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10 years !!  OMG he is crazy .  It should be done away with now !
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Petition:

Ban Live Exports from Australia

Senator Hinch has been campaigning for 35 years to try to end live exports from Australia. In 1981 he took a petition with 30,000 signatures to Canberra, calling for such action, but it fell on deaf ears.

The recent 60 Minutes exposé, following on from 4 Corners some years ago, shows that this cruelty still goes on, despite what the industry spokesmen are trying to tell you.

We, the undersigned, call on the Federal Parliament to phase in a ban, over three years, on live exports of all animals from Australia and immediately ban market expansion, especially in Asia and the Middle East.



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... and what is sweetheart Derryn's plan for the 100,000 people who are employed in the industry?

Does he intend euthanising the sheep ... that is more humane than the fate that awaits the farmers and all of the workers employed in the industry.Dead

As for Shorten ... no policy at all wouldhave been more believable!Wacko
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'Boiled alive': New footage shows full scale of live exports horror

Now Fairfax Media can reveal the full horror of the death that swept through Awassi Express - the live export ship operated by Perth company Emanuel Exports. For the first time, the footage lays bare the conditions in which the crew work, charged with the sickening and gruesome task of clearing away the decomposing corpses.
The footage shows sheep carcasses disintegrating in the hands of crew. The men are filmed wearing gumboots but no protective gear, standing in a bog of sheep faeces and urine that is inches high and known in the industry as the "faecal pad".

As the men try to move the bodies of the sheep onto plastic so they can be transported to the side of the ship and tipped overboard into the sea, the bodies of the sheep spill apart, their limbs "popping off" at first touch.

The sheeps' bodies are heaped and bundled up in plastic and released overboard, their melted innards spewing into the sea.

Lynn Simpson, a vet who has been on 57 voyages, viewed the footage for Fairfax Media and said the almost liquid condition of the carcasses and the state of their limbs popping off at the slightest handling showed the animals had effectively boiled to death.

"It's gross," she said. "These animals are cooking alive.”

Dr Simpson said the extreme heat the animals endured meant their bodies fell apart at the lightest pressure in the same way slow-cooked lamb or beef does when served and eaten.
“If you think of all those Jamie Oliver TV shows and he spruiks on about slow-cooked meat, it just makes me feel sick.

“I’m someone who does eat a little bit of meat, but you can’t get me to eat sheep to save my life, because after these events, especially these animals, these bodies are actually cooked, this is cooked meat but often they're alive before they finish cooking," she said.

She said the smell would be "foul" for those on-board. "It stinks - if that was a scratch and sniff, you wouldn't go anywhere near this video."

Dr Simpson said the footage showed there was no humane way to transport animals, en masse, especially through hot climates.
Last month, 60 Minutes broadcast some of the footage, showing sheep in extreme stress, crammed into their pens and visibly panting. Dr Simpson said the sheep packed in together would add to the overall heat and the animals' internal friction, sending their temperatures nearly 10 degrees higher than their regular body temperature of about 39 degrees.

She recalled on one ship how she had to start killing sheep that were dying from the heat. When she slit one animal's throat its blood spurted onto her arm, scalding her skin. She tested the next animal she killed and its temperature measured 47 degrees. When she conducted autopsies, the fat around their heart was a translucent jelly instead of solid white.

"They've literally melted and you're nearly at that gravy-making stage, which is really gross."


The footage also shows thick effluent from the ship pouring into the ocean, staining the blue sea with a stream of turgid muck that extends for kilometres.

The video was filmed by a whistleblower who worked on the Awassi Express last year and used an iPhone to capture the horrific scenes over five separate voyages between Australia and the Middle East.

The worst was in August, when 2400 of the 63,804 sheep on the Awassi Express died from heat stress during a single voyage from Fremantle to Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. On day 15 of the 21-day journey, 880 sheep dropped dead from heat stroke.

The total death rate, at possibly 3.79 per cent, was nearly double the 2 per cent limit that triggers an automatic government review. The Department of Agriculture cleared the voyage of any breaches; that investigation was reopened after 60 Minutes aired the initial footage, which also showed that despite it being forbidden to allow pregnant ewes on board, lambs were born during the voyage. They had their throats cut and their bodies were tossed overboard.

In a letter to producers, Emanuel Exports managing director Graham Daws said the company was "proud of our industry", insisting it was "accountable, transparent and ethically sustainable". He said the company had "had nothing but support from the livestock industry and members of the community" since the "release of extremely distressing footage".

"Whilst acknowledging the distress the incident has caused, it is a sad indictment that commentators have given no credit to the officers and crew of the vessel, including the Australian veterinarian and stockmen, who all worked under very difficult circumstances and prevented further losses," he said.

Workers suffering alongside the animals

But Dr Simpson said the scenes revealed in the footage were worse than any voyage she had travelled on and were well beyond what workers handling animals should be subjected to.

She said the ship workers were at risk of contracting salmonella, ringworm and a scabbing condition, and would be exposed to unsafe levels of ammonia emitting from the sheep’s urine.

Further, she said the foul conditions meant the crew were at high risk of back injury from lifting heavy animals while trying simultaneously to "stand as far back as they possibly can".

Dr Simpson said the workers would also be experiencing heat stress and recalled how she had once guzzled 12 litres of water and barely urinated on a live-export trip.

The ship's crew comprises between 60-70 people as well as the Australian stockperson and Australian government-accredited veterinarian, said Kuwait Livestock Transport and Trading, which the Australian Meat and Livestock Council said, as the importer of sheep, owns the animals once they arrive at port in Australia.

The crew are mostly from the sub-continent and are required during emergency situations, such as the mass fatality, to manage the movement of the animals and carcasses.

The whistleblower took the footage to Animals Australia. Lynn White of Animals Australia provided the video to the Department of Agriculture and the International Transport Workers’ Federation.

“We were concerned that the workers on the animal decks are effectively enduring the same dreadful conditions during the Middle East summer that the animals are,” she said.

“These poorly paid Filipino workers were left to deal with the thousands of melted, decomposing sheep carcasses. They are effectively ‘cleaning up’ after an Australian industry, yet are not protected by the worker safety provisions,” the former policewoman said.

Paddy Crumlin, of the Maritime Union of Australia and International Transport Workers’ Federation, said the video showed the “living hell” that was the life of a poorly paid crew member on board having to deal with the “barbaric practices” of the live export trade.

“This new footage is a terrifying reminder of what life can be like at sea when workers have no rights. It’s a living hell,” he said.

"There are serious concerns about the long-term mental and physical health of the crew members working under these conditions: in sheep effluent up to their waist and removing sheep carcasses in advanced states of decomposition,” he said.

“These exploited seafarers appear to have insufficient equipment or training to handle animals at sea and little control to improve conditions.

“It is shocking that any seafarer could be forced to work in the furnace-like conditions on board the Awassi Express."

The MUA wants a temporary ban on the trade until the industry can work out if the industry has a future at all.

"Whether or not the live trade continues, we need to have workers with rights onboard live export vessels," Mr Crumlin said.

"Seafarers on board these vessels often have no rights, are paid slave wages, and are treated inhumanely.”

Kuwait Livestock Trading and Transport said "any health issues prompt a medical examination, followed up with further medical care and supervision as needed" and are covered under insurance.

Momentum growing for an outright ban

The new footage comes amid surging political momentum for an outright ban on the live export trade. Australia is the world's largest exporter of sheep and cattle. A ban would bring it into line with New Zealand, which ended live exports for slaughter more than a decade ago. Last month, Theresa May's centre-right government in Britain announced it was also considering a ban.

This week, the Labor Party said it was now convinced that the trade could not be fixed and would be phased out if it wins the next election, due next year.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull described the pledge as a repeat of what he said was an "economically reckless" and "emotional decision" by former prime minister Julia Gillard to ban the trade to Indonesia overnight when abuses of animals shipped there by Australia were exposed in 2011.

But Mr Turnbull is facing internal pressure to match Labor’s move. Victorian Coalition backbenchers Sussan Ley and Jason Wood also want a total ban and Ms Ley has said she will introduce a private member's bill for a ban into the lower house, where Mr Turnbull has just a one-seat majority.

The government is waiting for the findings of a review it ordered following the 60 Minutes report. David Littleproud, the Agriculture Minister, ordered the investigation after viewing some of the footage. The Nationals MP said it was “bullgelati” that sheep were still dying at sea and also commissioned an investigation into the department over concerns that regulation of the industry is failing.
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I'm surprised this vet has only now commented,; she has been on 57 voyages, after all. how could she stomach it, at all. those poor trusting animals. 

i read enough to see her name ( at least no gender bias!) 57 voyages; that was enough, i dont need the absolute gory detail of boiling blood....

there a lot of people culpable about this.

a lot of allegedly caring people.  

a lot of finger pointing is all that is happening.

it seems the flavour is to say sorry and all is forgiven.

i would like to know who was the di**head that thought an old, enclosed car carrier would work.

Australia is as barbaric as any country we think we are "better " than. how pompous.
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n a letter to producers, Emanuel Exports managing director Graham Daws said the company was "proud of our industry", insisting it was "accountable, transparent and ethically sustainable". He said the company had "had nothing but support from the livestock industry and members of the community" since the "release of extremely distressing footage".

Not a lot to be proud of.  Sick   He should be hanging his head in shame.   And livestock industry and community members who support that beyond believable torture of live animals should be forced to travel on one of those ships , in the pens, with the animals.  The entire voayge.
I cant get my head around a vet who did so many voyages on those ships just now speaking up and saying how terrible conditions were  Cry  How could she ??  Shame shame shame on her.
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

I'm surprised this vet has only now commented,; she has been on 57 voyages, after all. how could she stomach it, at all. those poor trusting animals. 

i read enough to see her name ( at least no gender bias!) 57 voyages; that was enough, i dont need the absolute gory detail of boiling blood....

there a lot of people culpable about this.

a lot of allegedly caring people.  

a lot of finger pointing is all that is happening.

it seems the flavour is to say sorry and all is forgiven.

i would like to know who was the di**head that thought an old, enclosed car carrier would work.

Australia is as barbaric as any country we think we are "better " than. how pompous.

As bad as China people?
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is that your best comment pt?

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Live export to Middle East based on a lie

Mark RileyThe West Australian

t was somewhere around the northern boundary of The Lodge that I encountered what a psychologist might diagnose as a mild existential moment.

It was late on Thursday. I was on my nightly walk with the family hound. We’d just traversed the length of what we call the Lodge park, on our way towards Parliament House in Canberra.

It is our nightly routine. It’s one the dog noisily insists upon and one that I happily accede to. In many ways, it is a ritual of interdependence — a sedative reprieve from the maddening complexities of our respective lives. Oh, if man only knew how taxing it was to bark and growl and snap at cockatoos all through the afternoon

.The dog had spotted a vehicle reversing from a driveway on the busy thoroughfare encircling Capital Hill. He instantly and dutifully planted his hind quarters on the footpath, sitting and waiting for my command.

Such a good dog, I thought, as he looked at me with those dewy, expectant, loyal eyes, hanging on for my direction.

There’s a car. I must sit and I must wait, those doleful doggy peepers told me.

And here comes the moment.

How we love our pets, I thought. They are just animals, but we invest so much of ourselves in their care that we sometimes mistake them for people.

As the superior primates, we are undeniably their masters and mistresses. But we are also their protectors. We love them. We look after them. And they look after us.

And then, in that brief but deep moment of emotional vulnerability, my mind skipped back to the story I had reported that night for Seven News. It was a story of confronting inhumanity, a story of the process-obsessed, rules-based system of politics colliding spectacularly with the barely thinkable brutality of man towards our fellow beasts — the live sheep trade.

We don’t see sheep in the same way as we see our pets. They are animals bred for their meat. We eat them. That makes them different. It is a convenient rationalisation to justify the different ways we treat animals. There are those we love and there are those we eat. And never the twain shall meet.

But as challenging as that opportune pretext may be, it could never justify the abject inhumanity we as a society allow to occur in the cause of economic prosperity.

What happens on those ships en route to the Middle East in the hellishly sweltering heat and fatal humidity of a northern summer is simply criminal.

Imagine if the two and a half thousand — yes, that’s right, two and a half thousand — sheep that suffered such appallingly cruel and painful deaths on board that Emanuel Exports ship, Awassi Express, from Fremantle to the Emirates last year had been humans.It is inconceivable, even in the new abnormal of our post-September 11 reality. But suspend disbelief for a moment, if you will. What if that did happen? We’d be calling in the United Nations, the International Criminal Courts and assembling a Coalition of the Willing faster than you could say Kellogg, Brown and Root to invade the sovereign nation that allowed such indefensible brutality to occur beneath its gaze.

And it isn’t just that one extreme case. It happens to a greater or lesser degree on all ships. These vessels carry up to 70,000 live sheep at a time. Before this week, any mortality rate below 2 per cent was deemed acceptable. That is, up to 1400 deaths. That is now halved, but 700 sheep still have to die on a ship before there is an investigation.

It seems, though, that we as a nation are able to recline in the comforting knowledge that they are, after all, only sheep.

Not to farmers they’re not. I learnt this very clearly during my weekly chat on Thursday afternoon with my good friend Richard Glover on Sydney’s ABC radio.

While Richard and I were wrestling with the inadequacy of the Government’s response to livestock veterinarian Michael McCarthy’s review of the Emanuel Exports disgrace, a farmer named Bob called in to have his say.

Bob raises sheep. Merino sheep. They are normally bred for their wool, but they are in increasing demand as a meat stock because their well-fed existence these days encourages them to develop into amply fattened beasts.

“Mate, I weep when I have to sell some off,” Bob said. “It makes me cry to see them go off in a truck.

“I love my sheep. This is abhorrent! Every man, woman and child in Australia should be standing and shouting ‘til the roof comes down!”

And while we’re on the roof, we should shout about this: we are being taken for a ride. The whole premise of the Middle Eastern live export trade is based on a con.

The sheep are transported live because our Arab customers say they want to ensure the beasts are slaughtered in a way that conforms to the requirements of their halal certifications.

That is all well and good, except many of the sheep aren’t slaughtered in those customer nations at all. Many — although no one seems to know just how many — are put into feedlots to recover from their transportation ordeals and fattened up ready for resale.

After a couple of months, they are placed on the Middle Eastern market to be sold at massive profits to third countries, where they are slaughtered and marketed as meat.

We are being played off a break by capitalist opportunists.

How do I know this? Because two Cabinet ministers confided in me this week that this is what happened and lamented that there was bugger all they could do about it. Australian law does not enjoy the sort of extra-territoriality that would allow the Government to regulate against this practice.

So what’s the answer?

Well, we could ban the trade altogether and become a nation of vegans but that is unlikely.

Or we could tell our Middle Eastern customers that the risk of multiple fatalities in transit, regardless of regulation, is too great for a nation of the moral bearing of Australia to accept.

We could offer to replace the live trade with an equal supply of meat, humanely slaughtered under halal certified supervision here in Australia, packaged, refrigerated and transported to them at competitive prices.

And if they don’t like that, they can source their meat elsewhere. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and all the requisite ministers could then work hard to compensate for the loss of that business by expanding trade opportunities in the rich developing markets of Asia, South America and beyond.

This is all that I was able to come up with during a brief existential moment on a 20-minute walk with my four-legged mate on a chilly Canberra night. But maybe it’s something worth thinking about. If only for decency’s sake.

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how do the live exports get away with it?

Toodyay farmer Clinton Wheatley cops $18,000 fine and livestock ban for cruelty counts

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I cant find it, but did anyone see the story about a woman who tied her dog up and went away on a holiday, and just left it, with no care at all ?   These people, like her and the above mentioned,  must be a screw missing surely ? 
animals before people.
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Yep, far more animals die an excruciating death at the hands of pet owners, than die at sea on boats ... BAN PET OWNERSHIP NOW!!!!

Anyone see those fraudulent animal rights idiots taking footage of the cattle covered in manure? ... they will try anything.
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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