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    Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:10pm
I’ve seen this family for a while. Having owned and bred from her dam. They love the Green Desert line. She was a great producer. Who should she go mate with in her last matings.
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Gee can’t get any thoughts on this lovely mare.
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Small world Gonski - I purchased her dam Ride The Lightning at the yearling sales in SA for an absolute song. The dam was a very small mare with ordinary front legs. Some friends of mine took her on initially, had her in work with Leon Corstens but from memory she didn't race.
Once she went to stud she did a great job, especially to our stallion Lacryma Cristi. The beautiful pedigree shone through, beating her type I think!
I would be looking for Green Desert in the mares last few seasons, probably through Invincible Spirit sons or I am Invincible sons.You probably want a nice athletic type in the sire, nothing too heavy topped. Don't want to risk those legs coming through.
Good luck with her.
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To busy after holiday to really do much here. Will look sometime when I finally catch up with work.
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Agree with VSP.
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Maybe Cable Bay in particular.
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Just a suggestion, maybe have a good look at Hellbent.
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All opinions welcome Xav.

Great to see you take more interest in the breeding forums.Thumbs Up
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Something I’m still trying to get my head around thanks.
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I agree with those thoughts. Green Desert line seems to work. Needs to be A stallion in Victoria. Or close to border. She and her dam just click with the Green Desert line. Although the Gonski gelding can gallop. RTL last foal.
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Cable Bay does look quite nice on paper.
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LIGHTNING RULES (AUS)Bay filly 1999 
Kingston Rule
Chestnut 1986
Secretariat
Chestnut 1970
Bold Ruler
Bay 1954
Nasrullah
Bay 1940
Nearco
Mumtaz Begum
1935
1932
4-r
9-c
Miss Disco
Bay 1944
Discovery
Outdone
1931
1936
23-b
8-d
Somethingroyal
Bay 1952
Princequillo
Bay 1940
Prince Rose
Cosquilla
1928
1933
10-c
1-b
Imperatrice
Bay 1938
Caruso
Cinquepace
1927
1934
2-o
2-s
Rose of Kingston
Chestnut 1978
Claude
Bay 1964
Hornbeam
Chestnut 1953
Hyperion
Thicket
1930
1947
6-e
1-p
Aigue-Vive
Bay 1952
Vatellor
Vice-Versa
1933
1946
12-f
1-t
Kingston Rose
Brown 1971
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Sojourner
Chestnut 1956
Toastmaster
Wee Cushla
1947
1944
3-i
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Ride the Lightning
Bay 1991
Military Plume
Bay 1983
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Isolt
Bay 1961
Round Table
All My Eye
1954
1954
2-f
6-e
Ultraviolet
Bay 1972
In the Purple
Brown 1966
Right Royal
La Mirambule
1958
1949
3-f
11-d
Frivole
Chestnut 1965
Le Filou
Froth
1946
1954
16-c
10-d
Ascending Dream
Chestnut 1987
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Sharp Ascent
Chestnut 1982
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Rivermande
Bay 1976
Riverman
Sigemande
1969
1969
10-a
20-d




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I would suggest that Sun Stud has a new stallion by the name of National Defense that is by Invincible Spirit out of a mare by Kingmambo.  Kingmambo sees Nureyev as his damsire and Nureyev appears as the granddamsire of Lightning Rules' second dam.  Kingmambo also traces back to the same female family as Lightning Rules, so the mating offers a number of interesting influences that you may like to consider.  The stallion himself was champion 2yo in France, but won over 1400-1600m so probably not the early 2yo that we see here, so I would suspect the progeny to be a later 2yo and again probably be more of the miler type that we saw in Spirit Song.  Territories is also a son of Invincible Spirit, but does not have the same female influences so I think probably not as strong a mating.  Cable Bay as above is also by Invincible Spirit, but again I think the female line which sees a strong Secretariat influence, the sire of Kingston Rule totally changes the focus of the pedigree.  

On an unrelated line of thought, Starcraft offers an interesting mating, reinforcing Nureyev in the female line.  The Last Lion is another that could be considered as he offers the presence of Sharpen Up through Danehill Dancer.  I suspect that it is the Sharpen Up influence in the pedigree of Invincible Spirit that played an important role in the success of Spirit Song.  Finally, another in a similar vein is Hooked.  A quality racehorse but not well supported at stud in his first season, Hooked again offers another line of Sharpen Up, with the added benefit of Sir Ivor through a daughter in Grand Luxe.  This is through Flying Spur who is related to Encosta De Lago whose son, Delago Brom produced another winner for the mare in Lightning Brom, but this appears a much stronger mating.

Anyway, a few thoughts for you to consider.
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Thankyou all for the great info. Hooked is close by as is National Defense. I will check both out. Hooked is very interesting.
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Cable Bay is nearby also.
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Yes he is. Unsure he is the right mate.
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You may be right GG, however by all means explain just why you're unsure.
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Not sure really why. He has that overseas shuttle stallion issue. I’m not convinced he will be a long term stallion here. It is hard to knock him but I think he is overpriced. If he gets a few more winners by our stallion season then maybe.
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How would Good Journey be as a match?
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Or may I add Widden Valley
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Seem to recall a member had an interest in this fellow.

In truth he would appear an ordinary match from a most perspectives.
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Yes Peter Grundy stands the stallion. W V has done ok with limited options. Has had a few nice winners. Lovely breed stallion. Just a thought.
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Interesting that I'm not the only one who picked up on Glass Harmonium.

Sadlers Wells over Darshaan (his mare line) has matched up nicely with Zabeel whenever it's been tried -- whether it's Zabeel up top or flipped over.  Dundeel is the ur-example.  Pierro is bred on this cross, as is Alpine Eagle, Lizzie L'Amour, Charmont (High Chap over a Danehill daughter of a Zabeel mare), etc.  Ride the Lightning has this extended cross via Military Plume and Nureyev.  Glass Harmonium brings in the above, plus an interesting strain of Secretariat, another line to Somethingroyal via Sir Gaylord, another cross to Riverman, and a high-class daughter of My Babu.

Pedigree-wise he's interesting, performance-wise he hasn't had much of a shot (50 named foals of racing age).  His highest earner is a metro-winning filly whose 2nd dam is Zabeel. For a breed-to-race older mare and there aren't any better options (aka Green Desert line) nearby/in your budget, he could be worth a punt.  
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Thankyou Km.
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Checked out G H. Not impressed with his stud record or mares served. Very poor figures. Shame is he continuing to stand.
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Some of us do like him. 
Could apply the shame bit to a lot of stallions, but i wouldnt shave the gall to sayLOL
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Agree. Was surprised that he has served so few mares and has a low strike rate winner wise. Group 1 winner but not supported.
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I happen to be a fan because Verglas actually stood in WA and did quite well and ALL of his progeny were grey. Unfortunaely he went back to the Irish (?) national stud and didnt come back.
Amazing fact.
And Kenmare did well here through other stallions.
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Lot of fans. Poor mare returns tho. Hope he does well.
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