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    Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 10:04am
Mick Kent owned Chris Waller trained.

What is the story here ?

KINANE (NZ)Bay gelding 2016 
Reliable Man
Grey 2008
Dalakhani
Grey 2000
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Damana
Grey 1981
Crystal Palace
Denia
1974
1973
10-e
9-e
On Fair Stage
Bay 1993
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Fair Salinia
Bay or brown 1975
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Alcazar
1944
1957
16-g
22>
Fair Arabella
Bay or brown 1968
Chateaugay
Locust Time
1960
1955
16-g
16-c
Tres Rapide
Bay 2011
Nom du Jeu
Brown 2004
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Toute Cy
1976
1979
8-i
1-u
Prized Gem
Bay 1997
Prized
Bay or brown 1986
Kris S
My Turbulent Miss
1977
1976
10-a
8-c
Vaguely Attentive
Bay 1987
Noble Bijou
Treaura
1971
1980
1-s
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Suriyan
Brown 2006
Savabeel
Brown 2001
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995
Success Express
Alma Mater
1985
1988
17-b
1-o
Dazzling Belle
Bay 1996
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Solar
1983
1973
A4
10-b
Bella Nova
Bay 1982
Star Way
Last Light
1977
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6-e
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Wanted to give it to someone who knows how to train staters.😂
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Mick is going on holidays for a few months, transferring a few horses to other suitable trainers. 
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If this horse does not bring Kent back from holidays nothing will.




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Nice win and the way he won indicates he'll improve with distance.
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Will he be sold to Hong Kong?

Please use the search before starting new threads Angry djebel had already started one!


Edited by Gay3 - 23 May 2020 at 3:44pm
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Hope not. 




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Just heard big offer on table
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How big and by whom?
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Not hard to guess from were! How much? Well that’s second hand. So not much good to b saying
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According to some articles offers of more than 2mil on the table and rising
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It is impossible to knock those offers back.




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Good to see some people still have money. Reported $2.2m for this guy and $1.5m for master montaro who hasn't even qualified yet
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What are qualifications for sale to HK?
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It used to be simple (win a race worth this much, place in a race of this stakes level etc). Now it's at the discretion of the HK rating committee whether a horse qualifies or not.  
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Sounds like those HK offers have been formally rejected for now.

Staying in Aust for the SA Derby 👍
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Tipping major shareholder is ramping price up
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Connections of the new boom horse Kinane knocked back a motza for the gelding, but did they do the right thing?

QUALITY HORSE, BUT WHAT IS QUALITY WORTH?

Would you have taken $2.5m for Kinane?

You know Kinane, the three-year-old GELDING by Reliable Man who has had four starts for two wins and won prizemoney of $102,990.

I most definitely would have, but I suppose your answer would be dictated by your financial position, or how much you are captivated by the romance of the turf.

The offer was as genuine as the gold in the Royal Australian Mint and, if it had been accepted Kinane would have been off to Honkers.

There are 14 registered owners of the horse and my understanding is the two largest shareholders own close to 45 per cent between them.

I believe most of the syndicate had a hook-up on Friday, and they agreed beforehand that it would be one in all in, or one out all out.

My mail is the voting was not unanimous, but the “don’t sells” won out and the horse will continue on to the South Australian Derby on Saturday week, May 9.

Or will he? I keep asking myself when you say NO to such an offer are there bigger fish to fry. Is he better off heading to the paddock now and looking to the spring and perhaps a Caulfield Cup or Cox Plate?

What will be his preferred distance? Is he a genuine stayer or more a 2000m specialist?

There are a lot of questions to answer moving forward.

Who knows, after the SA Derby he might be worth $4m. Then again he might get beaten and only be worth $400,000.

Win or lose a sale is always on the table for discussion.

But racing is a gamble isn’t it?

The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything, it's too late to stop reading it.
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BTW, anyone know how Mick Kent is?
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Thanks Gay, a bit of "news" is always welcome in the Racing forum.Here's my reaction to the Fat Man's piece.

ps for Carioca: Mick Kent is a successful Vic trainer who's having a well earned spell overseas.

Connections of the new boom horse Kinane knocked back a motza for the gelding, but did they do the right thing?

QUALITY HORSE, BUT WHAT IS QUALITY WORTH?

Would you have taken $2.5m for Kinane?  You know Kinane, the three-year-old GELDING by Reliable Man who has had four starts for two wins and won prizemoney of $102,990. We know his form.  And why highlight "gelding"?

I most definitely would have, but I suppose your answer would be dictated by your financial position, or how much you are captivated by the romance of the turf. Well duh. (where's the roll eyes emoticon?)

The offer was as genuine as the gold in the Royal Australian Mint and, if it had been accepted Kinane would have been off to Honkers. Well duh again.

I believe most of the syndicate had a hook-up on Friday, and they agreed beforehand that it would be one in all in, or one out all out. That simply doesn't make sense. My mail is the voting was not unanimous, 14 owners so that's no surprise but the “don’t sells” won out what happened to one in all in one out all out? and the horse will continue on to the South Australian Derby on Saturday week, May 9.

Or will he? I keep asking myself when you say NO to such an offer are there bigger fish to fry. Well if they knocked back a $2m offer they clearly have bigger fish to fry Is he better off heading to the paddock now and looking to the spring and perhaps a Caulfield Cup or Cox Plate? What difference would one more run make?

What will be his preferred distance? Is he a genuine stayer or more a 2000m specialist?  There are a lot of questions to answer moving forward. Well yet another duh, there'll are always questions about a young horse's distance capablity.

Who knows, after the SA Derby he might be worth $4m. The duh's just keep coming, why would a win in a race like the SA Derby increase his value by 50%? Then again he might get beaten and only be worth $400,000.  So a loss would reduce his current value by 700% - give us a break.

Win or lose a sale is always on the table for discussion. Tell us something we don't already know But racing is a gamble isn’t it?  Well why not end a total pish piece with an entirely trite finale?  

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To be fair one in all in one out all out means if they sell some of them aren't allowed to keep their share - it's saying they either sell 100% of the horse or nothing.

Also it's not a 700% decrease in value.. it's an 84% decrease.
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Was just talking round figures and pressed the 0 button twice.Who's going to get uptight about 14%?  Smile
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Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy

Pure unadulterated Australasianism.

The rise in trip would not hurt him.

The rise in class might do.






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According to my weather map ( Fox ) Adelaide has had 5 inches of rain this month, if that is right maybe Sydney to Morphetville is considered an arduous task over 2500 in the heavy, so Brisbane the obvious, the rain imo have put the " slows" on a derby run.
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...should have sold him, IMHO.
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As I mentioned before! It has purely been a price ramp up! The ex trainer owns 25% . He would sell in a heart beat if that price was true!!
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy


Pure unadulterated Australasianism.

The rise in trip would not hurt him.

The rise in class might do.




Sydney to Adelaide I doubt constitutes a rise in class especially given that warning is likely to miss.
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Taking on Dalasan at 2500m is a rise in grade.




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Dodging the big boys.

Off to Brisbane.

2500m too soon for this fella. Where have we heard that from before ?






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