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    Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 1:14pm
Just creating the 2017 Melbourne Cup winners thread
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KILIMANJARO (IRE)Grey gelding 2012 
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Bay 1968
Hail to Reason
Lalun
1958
1952
4-n
19-b
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Koblenza
Brown 1966
Hugh Lupus
Kalimara
1952
1960
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1-n
Middle Persia
Grey 2006
Dalakhani
Grey 2000
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Damana
Grey 1981
Crystal Palace
Denia
1974
1973
10-e
9-e
Massarra
Bay 1999
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
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Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer3m x 5m Darshaan3f x 3m Kris4f x 4f


STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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Did Lloyd geld him?
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I imagine his Vet did. 


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I imagine his Vet did. 


Well yes. But why do they have to geld these good horses
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It is sickening isn't it ?  Hug


STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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Sure is. Unless they have serious health issues, they should not chop them off
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Impressive late. Put him in the paddock now and bring him back to Flemington for the Cup 4th up, wins
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Nice run  Ermm
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Nice barrier trial. If there is niobium's enquiry into the ride and instructions, and pressure put on Williams the trainer, we will again be reminded who runs Victorian racing.
Sunline...simply supreme
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It was an impressive run, no doubt.

But lets not get carried away. He got beaten by 2 horses that are mediocre winter stayers, who themselves are not at their optimum distance.

KILIMNJARO is not qualified for the Melb Cup and would need to win or place in a lead up race to even make the field.
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

It was an impressive run, no doubt.

But lets not get carried away. He got beaten by 2 horses that are mediocre winter stayers, who themselves are not at their optimum distance.

KILIMNJARO is not qualified for the Melb Cup and would need to win or place in a lead up race to even make the field.


Almandin last year, very similar
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I was thinking the same thing MK . Maybe next years Wiliams Cup chance.
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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I agree, cups horse For sure
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Anyone game to follow up after the barrier trial? Should be winning R7 IF he's let go.
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I'm on. I think they probably want to raise his rating. 2000m Flemington suits.
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Very good point.
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I'm on without being overly confident because we can't trust Williams. Barrier trial first up. If they want to win tomorrow they will.

The horse's form as a 3yo in England and Ireland is far too good for this.
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Agree Sunline that's why I thought Bonfield's observation wrt rating was enlightening. Suspect they're in no rush but to ensure he gets into some key races he'd want to get some runs on the board early.
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I know I'm on my own here, but I've watched his first up run a few times and I honestly think the horse had every chance. The key factor is that the race was run very fast and they walked the last 600m. He got out into clear running with plenty of time to run them down. His last 200m sectional was only average. In fact the winner of the 2500m race on the same day ran faster last 200m.
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A plus is Beau Mertens.. this ride will be crucial to his jockey premiership chances. You know he will be trying. If they were going to give it a quiet run they wouldn't have put him on.
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As others have already said if he is there to Win he Wins.
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thinking he gets second today the 1 should win



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I was also taken by the first start and think he's worth a go today and following going forward.

As such took 60's for the cup with laddys boost last night. If he runs as I expect today doubt anything near that is available afterwards.
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Originally posted by Bonfield Bonfield wrote:

I know I'm on my own here, but I've watched his first up run a few times and I honestly think the horse had every chance. The key factor is that the race was run very fast and they walked the last 600m. He got out into clear running with plenty of time to run them down. His last 200m sectional was only average. In fact the winner of the 2500m race on the same day ran faster last 200m.

If he was fourth run in and ready and expected to fire this would all be true.
The thing is it was the horse's first run in two years.
With that in mind the run was just fine.
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Originally posted by WarriSymbol WarriSymbol wrote:

Originally posted by Bonfield Bonfield wrote:

I know I'm on my own here, but I've watched his first up run a few times and I honestly think the horse had every chance. The key factor is that the race was run very fast and they walked the last 600m. He got out into clear running with plenty of time to run them down. His last 200m sectional was only average. In fact the winner of the 2500m race on the same day ran faster last 200m.

If he was fourth run in and ready and expected to fire this would all be true.
The thing is it was the horse's first run in two years.
With that in mind the run was just fine.

The run was just fine. Just making the point that I thought the horse had every chance first up. Some people believe he wasn't trying. I disagree.
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Was given a very soft run imo, only really cranked up from the 300 - as we might expect from the camp, esp given the time away from the track. 

My query is is he ready for 2km or might he already prefer another furlong? 
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Just had a look at the replay.

Think he wants further than 2000.

Do agree last start was more like a trial and could of Won had been set for the race.

The Jock probably had instructions to put him to sleep back in the field and just work him home nicely.

There may be an early indicator today if he is there to Win and that would be if he settles midfield rather than at the tail.



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Looks very well
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