Josh Parr Roheryn 1.5 Fav

Roheryn – Stewards opened an inquiry into J Parr's handling of the colt having regard to his riding in the early and middle stages of the event. Stewards expressed concern with J Parr's handling in that in the middle stages Roheryn lost touch with the leading division of the race. J Parr stated his instructions were from its wide draw to ride the colt where comfortable, but the stable had anticipated Roheryn would settle towards the rear of the field, similar to the manner in which it was ridden at its previous start. He added that in the early stages he was positioned to the outside and behind Beidi and whilst he had contemplated maintaining a position to that runners outside, he elected to allow Roheryn to settle behind Beidi when G Schofield rider of Beidi elected to maintain a one-off line. He said the decision to do so was to avoid racing three wide and without cover. He further stated that throughout the early and middle stages of the race he had formed the view that the tempo of the event was fast and that his mount as a result never travelled comfortably and was racing at its top throughout the early and middle stages of the event. He said for this reason he was reluctant to place Roheryn under pressure to endeavour to make up ground on the leading division as in his view this would be detrimental to the colts' chances. J Parr added that from inside the 600m he commenced to urge his mount along whilst still racing behind Beidi and that on straightening he placed the colt under full pressure whereby it commenced to improve into the event. J Parr further added that whilst placing his mount under full pressure he had expected, with the 2 20181117ROSE fast tempo, that the leaders would commence to give ground but when they did not Roheryn found it difficult to make up sufficient ground on the winner Chess Star. J Parr was further question in respect to his contact with his riding agent regarding today's race. Stewards examined J Parr's phone to ascertain what communication he had with his riding agent leading up to today's race. Trainer Mr J Cummings confirmed the nature of his instructions and advised that he expected Roheryn to take up a rearward position. He stated that he concurred with the view of J Parr in that Roheryn was unsuited by the fast early tempo and expressed general satisfaction with J Parr's handling of the colt from the 800m as he was of the view the colt was racing at its top during that section of the race and it would not have been in the colt's best interest to place under pressure at that point. A post-race veterinary examination revealed no abnormalities. After considering the evidence the inquiry was adjourned to a date to be fixed.

I agree aa.

Like any sports agent, they should not have anything to do with any other area of the sport.

If you are an agent of a afl or nrl player you can not sit on a board of a club, due to conflict of interest.

The manager should feel himself lucky that all jockeys have been hoodwinked into thinking they need a manager, take that fee and be grateful.

I do not like conspiracy's but these two deserve everything they get, which will probably be a two week suspension.

I am unaware how it works with the registration of jockey managers, but if they are licensed people, then surely there is a section of the license agreement, that states they can not manage a tipping service.

And while we are on the subject, any person who makes money from the racing industry should be licensed, so that includes form analysts who charge for their selections and managers who manage jockeys.

Speediskey wrote: How do you make someone running a tipping service get a licence? You can make trainers/owners/jockeys get licences because you can say if you don't you can't work - how can you say if you don't get a licence you're not allowed to talk to people? Racing would have no power to demand a tipping service person to have a licence.

Wouldn’t you just licence the agents and write it into their rules that they can’t run a tipping service?

If you are a manager of jockeys, and a principal member of a tipping or form analysis service, you are always going to be subject to rumours and your reputation, if that is anything you care about, will always be under a cloud.

What I am saying, is if you are paid for your service, then you should have to register and gain a license from the state authority, so Racing NSW or racing Victoria or whoever the state authority is.

It is quite simple to do. If you see a service online or being advertised in Best Bets or whatever, if they are not registered then they should be declared illegal gambling sights and they are immediately shutdown.

The registration of a service, would be for those services which are asking people to pay for it. If you buy the winning post, and best bets, and the daily form in the newspapers, these people who tip or give form comments are free informers, and there for they do not ask people to pay for their tips.

Isn't this similar to when Zerafa was tipping everyone a horse, but then his phone records showed he backed another horse who happened to win the race. So he was, on face value being deceitful in his selections and purposely tipping everyone a loser, so he could get a better price for his actual tip, although not sure if any actual punters take any notice of what he tips.

I do not see why race clubs and authorities regulate every aspect of racing, yet they allow unscrupulous activities or at least the perception of unscrupulous activities, for jockey managers. I mean what makes them such integrity filled individuals that they would never do anything contrary to the image of racing.

Another way they can bring racing into disrepute is the situation we had with Damien Oliver, where I am sure it was his manager who placed the $10,000 bet or he had the bet placed for him.

    

Deane Lester has been working for jockeys and trainers for years in Melbourne.

Mountain out of a molehill

ExceedAndExcel wrote: Why would jockey managers need to do the form? Shouldn’t that be the job of the trainer who should do then decide on tactics? Jockeys job should just be to follow instructions as best as possible and not fall off.

acacia alba wrote: So, he got on him one horse, and tipped another ?  To me that equals not much skill on the form or just a rubbish manager ???

Varying factors - weights perhaps.
Trainer could’ve already booked someone else when he inquired about the ride.
Who knows

ExceedAndExcel wrote: Why would jockey managers need to do the form? Shouldn’t that be the job of the trainer who should do then decide on tactics? Jockeys job should just be to follow instructions as best as possible and not fall off.

No, the jockey needs to have done the form to have an understanding of the runners in the race and how the race will unfold. It's a huge advantage over jockeys who just turn up and ride as things unfold.

Sneck wrote: ExceedAndExcel wrote: Why would jockey managers need to do the form? Shouldn’t that be the job of the trainer who should do then decide on tactics? Jockeys job should just be to follow instructions as best as possible and not fall off. No, the jockey needs to have done the form to have an understanding of the runners in the race and how the race will unfold. It's a huge advantage over jockeys who just turn up and ride as things unfold.

Good points.

Sneck wrote: ExceedAndExcel wrote: Why would jockey managers need to do the form? Shouldn’t that be the job of the trainer who should do then decide on tactics? Jockeys job should just be to follow instructions as best as possible and not fall off. No, the jockey needs to have done the form to have an understanding of the runners in the race and how the race will unfold. It's a huge advantage over jockeys who just turn up and ride as things unfold.

Turn it up, jockey managers are supposed to be form gurus otherwise they wouldn't get a look in, naturally he would talk things over before the booking , the jockey would see things whether it be in running, trackwork, cackle in the jocks room after a race, but to get him one of Gai's ( who trained the winner) she requires most of her jockeys to ride work, like "hippo" who rode the winner , the fav has won one race over 1100 on a heavy 10, this was a speed race on a good 4 , he went to sleep and the winner was just too sharp imo.

Wait a minute I will just pick myself up off the floor.

So the stewards looked at the betting trends, saw nothing untoward, because a couple of regular big time punters did not back Chess Star, and that convinced them that nothing untoward happened.

F#@k me sideways! No wonder they could not get Oliver, Roble and Shinn for betting, until a whistle blower came along.

So to pull this off, all the manager has to do is grab a couple of no name uni students, create about five accounts, and have small bets on so they do not attract any attention.

No wonder people think racing is corrupt!

djebel wrote: Just on the ride, I thought Parr was always niggling at Roheryn and Roheryn was never travelling.

I might be blind freddy.

another Blind Freddy here