Why not just check out www.marxismconference.org

Not all he says is defensible, but Jordan Peterson deserves to be taken seriously

Meanwhile:

Absolutely. But both things can be true, rather than having to take one polar view. Try telling the people at marxist.org etc that they have lost. Have a quick browse through the topics of their upcoming events. Pretending that these people don't work hard to make changes, through education, media and politics, is just head in the sand stuff.

Getting back to Peterson, the main things he makes a stand against are: radical lefty academics indoctrinating students who are too young to understand the world yet, categorizing people into groups, and govts imposing linguistic forms on citizens. He's not tilting at windmills. Ooen your eyes.

stayer wrote: Absolutely. But both things can be true, rather than having to take one polar view. Try telling the people at marxist.org etc that they have lost. Have a quick browse through the topics of their upcoming events. Pretending that these people don't work hard to make changes, through education, media and politics, is just head in the sand stuff. Getting back to Peterson, the main things he makes a stand against are: radical lefty academics indoctrinating students who are too young to understand the world yet, categorizing people into groups, and govts imposing linguistic forms on citizens. He's not tilting at windmills. Ooen your eyes.

It's specifically the humanities depts who are full of rad lefties. It's a back slapping industry teaching quack subjects that turn out to be a waste of time and money for the kids.

And the humanities have lost relevance in tertiary education largely because of triumphant market principles. Students want to study something that's going to get them a gig that'll help them pay a mortgage. Arts isn't it. But check out the enrolments for law and commerce.

(I'm joking there. It would be better if the humanities course were teaching real stuff and encouraging real thinkers who could make a difference to the materialistic world, but the mickey mouse subjects and methods are useless stuffing that rots the moment it comes into contact with the real world. Unless of course you choose a career of professional activist.)

stayer wrote: (I'm joking there. It would be better if the humanities course were teaching real stuff and encouraging real thinkers who could make a difference to the materialistic world, but the mickey mouse subjects and methods are useless stuffing that rots the moment it comes into contact with the real world. Unless of course you choose a career of professional activist.)

JudgeHolden wrote: stayer wrote: (I'm joking there. It would be better if the humanities course were teaching real stuff and encouraging real thinkers who could make a difference to the materialistic world, but the mickey mouse subjects and methods are useless stuffing that rots the moment it comes into contact with the real world. Unless of course you choose a career of professional activist.) What happens when Dante meets the real world? I love literature and I love those "dead white guys". I'd love to see serious literature and art have it's deserved place in society, but we've got what we've got. The Kardashians and I'm a Celebrity.... Marx would be turning in his grave, as would Edmund Burke.

I wrote it myself you simpleton. Keep up the good work. Your level of stupidity is worth bottling.

JudgeHolden wrote: stayer wrote: (I'm joking there. It would be better if the humanities course were teaching real stuff and encouraging real thinkers who could make a difference to the materialistic world, but the mickey mouse subjects and methods are useless stuffing that rots the moment it comes into contact with the real world. Unless of course you choose a career of professional activist.) <span style="line-height: 16.8px;">What happens when Dante meets the real world? I love literature and I love those "dead white guys". I'd love to see serious literature and art have it's deserved place in society, but we've got what we've got. The Kardashians and I'm a Celebrity.... Marx would be turning in his grave, as would Edmund Burke.</span>

The trash just fills the vaccuum though. If there's less of a vaccuum there'd be less trash. You can't tell me that more dante and less derrida in unis would result in more stable and substantial thinkers. Which is what humanities is supposed to produce isn't it? And they're meant to contribute in their own way to society. The shame is that adolescents and young people are often hungry for meaningful stuff, and the are being fed cynicism and passing fads by academics who just promote each others' books. On a side note, I'm always stunned by the number of university educated people under 60ish on quiz shows who don't even know that Mark Twain wrote books or that Bismarck was German. But they can name the Kardashians and characters from Harry Potter.

Any way, if you can spare the time, try listening to that interview of Russell Brand and Peterson. Actually really good stuff! A respectful discussion where they both actually listen and respond to one another, mentioning some pretty good books along the way.

Oh dear the mind boggles, now what do you like in the quaddie legs tomorrow Stayer.

Carioca wrote: Oh dear the mind boggles, now what do you like in the quaddie legs tomorrow Stayer.

I'd rather read your posts than all the gelati taught in unis these days. You actually know what you're talking about and have experience to back it up.

stayer wrote: Second Chance wrote: stayer wrote: .....Imagine if keyboard warriors around the world these days had been taught that basic kind of stuff instead of wishy washy relativism and identity politics. . Maybe forget the relativism Stayer, it's identity politics that's the real and appalling killer in "Democratic States" these days.   Identity politics comes from relativism.