Jockey/Trainers Dual Licence

Used to be the case at Vic trots re trainer/drivers so some rapid changes to trainers occurred . Often from trainer to foreman .

Dual licences existed for many years in SA and Tasmania. Raffindale was a really good horse trained in SA by a trainer/jockey (I cant remember his name) When it came to Victoria he had to choose one or the other. Raffindale competed at the highest level. Ron Hall senior, rode as atrainer/rider in SA for many years, as did Ron Maund ride in Tas as a trainer/rider.

The Ear wrote:

Dual licences existed for many years in SA and Tasmania. Raffindale was a really good horse trained in SA by a trainer/jockey (I cant remember his name) When it came to Victoria he had to choose one or the other. Raffindale competed at the highest level. Ron Hall senior, rode as atrainer/rider in SA for many years, as did Ron Maund ride in Tas as a trainer/rider.

John James Miller also was duelled licensed.

Jackie Beriman announced today that she has applied for the dual license. Will be training 1 or 2 at Richard Lamings property.

Michelle Payne has officially began the next phase of her racing career after being one of just three applicants to be granted dual licenses to ride and train their own horses.

Payne, along with fellow licensed rider Jade Darose and former Ballarat-based trainer Rhonda Mangan, are the first three to be permitted to combine riding and training horses after a rule change last season to enable the cross-over of careers.

Payne has not ridden since falling from Dutch Courage at Mildura in May, when she sustained serious damage to her pancreas.

It is understood she already has two horses under her care that she intends to train at Ballarat.

The Melbourne Cup-winning jockey admitted this week that she was taking longer than she initially thought to achieve peak fitness and has not yet confirmed whether she will return to the saddle as a full-time jockey.

After a tumultuous few weeks, where she was ousted from the ride on her Cup winner Prince of Penzance in Saturday's Memsie Stakes with a blaze of publicity, Payne apologised to the owners of the horse for her Twitter post where she questioned their loyalty.

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what are the various state rules regarding jockey/trainer license?

for instance Qld metro don't allow it (unless permission is granted) but I believe in country areas they allow it to maintain the sport.

insurance aspect would be interesting too, if a jockey/trainer gets injured what coverage is applied?

Johnny Murtagh had a dual licence, or rather a training licence and a jockey licence for a couple of years. Now just trains. Think he may have had a Royal Ascot winner trained, ridden, as well as other Royal Ascot winners where he just rode for other trainers whilst holding a training licence.

TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round.

He rode three winners at Royal Ascot that year. It was a race on the Champions' Day in October where he was both the trainer and jockey, Royal Diamond, 20/1.

TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round.

Lordy wrote:

Trainer/driver is quite the norm in harness racing is it not?

Different concept I feel Lordy, with duel license holder ( jockey) riding 6,7 days a week, could even be interstate, o/s
even, this could become a bit sticky, hope common sense prevails. ( not many trotting drivers waste either)

From the tele

RACING NSW stewards have set the record straight about integrity issues surrounding Michelle Payne’s failed bid to ride Husson Eagle at Rosehill on Saturday.

Racing NSW don’t offer dual trainer/jockey licences and only allow those that hold this licence interstate to be a trainer and not a jockey in NSW races.

But some industry participants have argued Payne should have been granted a licence to ride Husson Eagle at Rosehill on Saturday because she only wanted to be a jockey at the meeting and not a trainer as well.

MICHELLE SPARKS MURRAY’S PUSH FOR HISTORY

But when asked about Payne’s situation, Van Gestel made it clear he still had concerns with trainers being in the jockeys’ room even if that trainer (under their dual licence) was only acting as a jockey at that particular meeting.

“How many trainers do you know spend the day in the jockeys’ room?” Van Gestel said. “It’s got to be a rule in place for a particular licence type, not just an individual.

“As we’ve said all along it’s not a Michelle Payne rule.

“There were integrity issues presented to the board in consideration of the application and in those circumstances we don’t issue persons with two licences in this state.”

Edited by Gay3 - 01 Dec 2016 at 8:50am

There are many valid arguments for why Payne shouldn't have been granted.

The ridiculous reason thrown up by Van Gestel is not one of them.

Cmon Apparitions!!!

What a pathetic reasoning from NSW stewards. Laughably pathetic.

Baguette wrote:

He is saying that NSW has no integrity protocols or rules in place to cover trainer/jockeys because they don't license them in the state, don't want to and have no interest in trying to come up with some sort of one off rule to accommodate the perpetually whining Michelle bloody Payne. Pretty easy to understand I would have thought!

Are you dense? This is not a Michelle Payne issue what so ever. There are already 10+ jockeys that are going to have this problem and that number will only increase.

Thanks for the alert Xavier & 3bm Thumbs Up

Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

Was just an arrogant reply from Van Gestel Baguette, completely unbecoming for someone in his position. Doubt his predecessor would have been such a smartarse. Just confirms the old saying - you can't put an old head on young shoulders. Agree with your initial comment, the rest is gibberish.

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