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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?
Or at least named & taken for a ride down Media St
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 
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Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?
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Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 

Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 
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McDonald must have done the wrong thing by this unned punter. Why else would his name even come up ?



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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 

Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 

if he is unlicensed, then its not his problem if someone asked him to have a bet for them , lies solely with JMAC i would have thought , as he is bound by the rules of racing  
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Correct.
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Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Correct.

Thought as much.... Think there may be a much bigger picture here
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Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 

Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 

if he is unlicensed, then its not his problem if someone asked him to have a bet for them , lies solely with JMAC i would have thought , as he is bound by the rules of racing  

Don't have to be licensed to be subject to certain rules. Nevertheless your rationalisation is interesting. Fortunately in my view, in civil and criminal law we don't accept that logic, for fairly obvious reasons.
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Correct.

Thought as much.... Think there may be a much bigger picture here


Oh no not fast Eddie
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?


dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 


Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 


if he is unlicensed, then its not his problem if someone asked him to have a bet for them , lies solely with JMAC i would have thought , as he is bound by the rules of racing  


Don't have to be licensed to be subject to certain rules. Nevertheless your rationalisation is interesting. Fortunately in my view, in civil and criminal law we don't accept that logic, for fairly obvious reasons.


Yea you are right , I guess we should wait and see the whole story and go from there
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Someone asked about mandatory suspensions. Rightly or wrongly RV at one stage said they wouldn't be following the rule, preferring to allow RADB to rule on mitigating circumstances. Daresay RNSW might take a different view.

Godolphin statement on James McDonald

Clinton Payne - 16 Nov 2016

International racing giant Godolphin has issued a statement saying the operation "will continue to support" embattled jockey James McDonald who was charged on Tuesday for having an " interest in a bet".

James McDonald at the recent Flemington Melbourne Cup carnival. Photo: Darryl Sherer

McDonald is facing the possibility of a two-year ban after Racing Australia introduced mandatory minimum sentences for the offence in 2013.

McDonald was questioned by stewards on Tuesday over "his association with a known punter and that punter's betting activities" before stewards issued a charge against the jockey.

McDonald then voluntarily stood himself down from riding immediately pending the hearing of the charge.

"Godolphin acknowledges the Stewards' report that Racing NSW is investigating James McDonald for an infringement of the rules of racing," a statement read.

"His decision to step down from riding, pending the outcome of the investigation, is the right one. We will continue to support him throughout this process.

"Prior to the outcome of this inquiry, and in order not to prejudice the findings, we will make no further comment."

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How do these idiots continually get themselves tied up with the "unnamed punter " ?   
Surely they should know what ever he touches is under the microscope !
How much money can one boy spend ? Not like he wouldnt be making a nice little fortune riding for The Boys In Blue.
If its true, then I have no sympathy for him at all.

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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How do these idiots continually get themselves tied up with the "unnamed punter " ?   
Surely they should know what ever he touches is under the microscope !
How much money can one boy spend ? Not like he wouldnt be making a nice little fortune riding for The Boys In Blue.
If its true, then I have no sympathy for him at all.


Success often leads to overconfidence/ people thinking they are invincible. Probably gets a lot of people giving him all sorts of offers. 
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Godolphin says it will support its retained jockey James McDonald who has been charged with a betting offence in relation to the debut win of star colt Astern.

McDonald stood himself down on Tuesday after being interviewed by Racing NSW stewards who charged him with having an interest in a bet on Astern who he rode to win on December 5 last year.

Stewards said the hearing was prompted by intelligence received regarding McDonald's association with a known punter and that punter's betting

The reigning Sydney premier jockey, McDonald is the global operation's No.1 rider in Australia and rode for Sheikh Mohammed's team in England and Ireland during the Australian winter.

"Godolphin acknowledges the Stewards' report that Racing NSW is investigating James McDonald for an infringement of the rules of racing," the Godolphin statement said

"His decision to step down from riding, pending the outcome of the investigation, is the right one. We will continue to support him throughout this process.

"Prior to the outcome of this enquiry, and in order not to prejudice the findings, we will make no further comment."
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Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How do these idiots continually get themselves tied up with the "unnamed punter " ?   
Surely they should know what ever he touches is under the microscope !
How much money can one boy spend ? Not like he wouldnt be making a nice little fortune riding for The Boys In Blue.
If its true, then I have no sympathy for him at all.



Success often leads to overconfidence/ people thinking they are invincible. Probably gets a lot of people giving him all sorts of offers. 


I actually think this type of thing is common amongst sportspeople..
The personality type of those successful in elite sports often sees them getting in trouble..
A close family member is ex-AFL All-Australian and has had his fair share of serious issues post-football that's roots began whilst playing and a number of competitive Australian swimmers from back in the day have also suffered similar fates..
For a jockey, their life is extremely regimented and the luxuries we take for granted and use as stress relief eg. eating rubbish, drinking etc is not an option for them.
Maybe it's more about the rush than the money, of which they have access to huge amounts compared with their peers, and are surrounded by influential people that don't necessarily have their best interests at heart
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Incredible that this info came out just a week or so after the carnival was completed.

Amazing timing for him. Lucky Boy.
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How long have the stewards known?
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James McDonald bet investigation to take a number of weeks
By Nick Hluchaniuk 5 hours ago
James McDonald rode Astern to an easy win on debut Image: Sportpix
Racing NSW's investigation into James McDonald's alleged involvement in a bet on Astern back in December 2015 won't reach a conclusion for a number of weeks according to chief steward Marc Van Gestel.

McDonald stood down from riding on Tuesday after being charged by stewards under AR 83(d) for having an interest in a bet on Astern to win at Royal Randwick on 5 December 2015.

Van Gestel told RSN it would be weeks until the investigation reached a conclusion.

"It will be weeks, it won't be days. We need to be thorough with our investigations and making sure that we properly investigate every angle so that will take a period of time," Van Gestel said.

"There will be interviews that will need to be conducted so I suspect it will weeks before we'll be in a position to resume. Not months, but weeks and we'll do it as expediently as possible, but not compromising on the thoroughness of the investigation.

Acting on intelligence received, Racing NSW conducted an interview of McDonald on Tuesday.

"Racing NSW has a memorandum of understanding with a number of law enforcement agencies both federally and in this state and we meet from time to time to share intelligence between the agencies and this was a consequence of that memorandum of understanding," Van Gestel said.

"We obviously collect our own betting information and intelligence along the way and this culminated in a situation where we were of the opinion we needed to interview James (McDonald) in respect to the intelligence we received."

With McDonald out of the saddle while the investigation continues, Godolphin will have to call on a number of riders to cover the loss of their number one jockey.

Tim Clark, Kerrin McEvoy and Tye Angland picked up rides for Godolphin at Warwick Farm on Wednesday.

John O'Shea has seven runners nominated for Rosehill on Saturday with Brenton Avdulla picking up two rides including Duca Valentinois in the feature November Handicap while promising apprentice Nick Heywood has also been booked for two rides.

Avdulla, along with Clark who rode a treble for Godolphin earlier this month at Canterbury, are likely to be given the majority of rides over the coming weeks.

The global racing operation said in a statement on Wednesday that they would continue to support McDonald during the investigation, but would make no further comment prior to the outcome of the enquiry
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Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?
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I'm glad he backed the one he was riding, at least it was trying.
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.
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Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Just asking with no idea each way , How does it look like they waited for the carnival to be over exactly? Or is it just a case of it came out and the carnival just finished so put on our tin foil hats and scream conspiracy?
Again I am not in either camp but would like to know how you came to this conclusion?
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Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Just asking with no idea each way , How does it look like they waited for the carnival to be over exactly? Or is it just a case of it came out and the carnival just finished so put on our tin foil hats and scream conspiracy?
Again I am not in either camp but would like to know how you came to this conclusion?

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Because this has been spoken about for quite a while, without any action. It was around the tracks since he was in the UK
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McDonald must have done the wrong thing by this unned punter. Why else would his name even come up ?



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The Insider is right- the rumours started prior to his travel early in the year and was tipped as the reason he went overseas in the first place...
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At least he's a good judge. Knew how good Astern was. Might teach Glyn and Waller what to look for in trials.....
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Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Just asking with no idea each way , How does it look like they waited for the carnival to be over exactly? Or is it just a case of it came out and the carnival just finished so put on our tin foil hats and scream conspiracy?
Again I am not in either camp but would like to know how you came to this conclusion?
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Pure speculation.

But how does it look?
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How does it look ??
It looks very crooked , and very nasty.
If all the above insinuations are correct,  it looks just horrible .

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So the sun today names Anthony Gardiner as the gambler also noting it is "not suggesting he has done anything wrong "
And says stewards only recently became aware of his relationship with jmac, although it also says he is know to drive jockeys to the races on occasion .
When will these blokes learn
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