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Originally posted by Go Flash Go Go Flash Go wrote:

As l've said before you really know your stuff ..... Blackdog is it now .... LOL

 

Originally posted by Aurelius Aurelius wrote:

If you don't want to know what your players health status is i.e. What have they been drinking, eating, injecting why would you not want to know?

C'mon Flash wake up and smell the roses!!!!! It is not that hard.

At worst he knew that what was occurring shouldn't be occurring as simple
as that.

That allows him now to be complicit after the event, well congratulation, not a champion,
not a class act, a self centred I am the best everything revolves around me gutless grub.

 

Sounds like you may not like him Aurelius so whatever he says won't matter.

 

Even the medical staff were given assurances that were reneged on. Trained qualified medical staff assured by other qualified personel higher up (as Hird alluded to happened several times in his situation as well)

 

So what hope would Hird have. And by the way it's just a football club Hird has better things to do.

 

At least he's learnt a little more about loyalty and trust, he just has to wait a little for what happens next in the learning process. He's smart and strong enough to as the interview showed but only just.

 

 


Flash,

Footy Clubs from the outside look like complex places with all the coaches, staff, doctors etc.

They are not, they leak like a sieve. If someone does something untoward everyone knows about it.
You reckon no players would of spoke to the coach directly about their concerns?

It's no point trying to convince you because you don't know what you don't know.

I will leave you with this: It has been proven time and time again it is not possible to keep a secret in
a football club that three or four players know about.

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Okay sooo in light of this they embarked on a secret program knowing that it would be impossible to remain a secret.

 
Anyhow l'll leave that there too as the arguing is more a matter for the kangaroo court types of which there are more than a few on this website  Wink
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Originally posted by Go Flash Go Go Flash Go wrote:

Okay sooo in light of this they embarked on a secret program knowing that it would be impossible to remain a secret.

 
Anyhow l'll leave that there too as the arguing is more a matter for the kangaroo court types of which there are more than a few on this website  Wink


Former Bomber player Kyle Reimers told Channel Nine "everyone" had signed the waivers and he claimed that the club was aware the supplements were "pushing the boundaries". 

"From what they were saying, it was right on the borderline of what they were going to give us," he said.

"Everyone signed it, it was a personal choice as to whether they took it ... it does seem very odd the type of stuff we were taking. They admitted to us it was right on the edge of the levels you could be taking."

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Thoughts are with James Hird the Jackals that chased him and his players have a lot to answer for.

Jeff Kennett summed up the situation well echoing his sentiments and hope Hird is receiving the help he needs - good luck lad Heart
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Hope Caroline Wilson, Patrick Smith and a few ex and current AFL administrators are getting a good night' sleep.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2017 at 8:34am
whaty a ridiculous thing to say BB.

In your world various miscreants, criminals, scammers, cheats,  etc are not investigated because they may overdose , try to kill themself or get depressed Confused
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I feel for those 4 innocent children. Some of the things being thrown around on twitter and the like are horrifying. I just hope they don't see it.
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What ever gelati he is in now he brought it on himself.



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That may be true, but bringing the children into it is low
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

whaty a ridiculous thing to say BB.

In your world various miscreants, criminals, scammers, cheats,  etc are not investigated because they may overdose , try to kill themself or get depressed Confused

Whale, Hird along with the players were cleared by the AFL tribunal, then ASADA appealed that decision in the Sports Court of Arbitration in a foreign domain ( Switzerland) and the AFL tribunal's decision was overturned on circumstantial evidence. Nobody committed any criminal act , yet you have categorised as Hird is no better than a criminal or a miscreant etc yet those sporting journalists, who hounded him into his current mental state, do not have any responsibility for their actions. 

Think for a moment how Gary Lyon, another high profile person has his life splashed all over the front page of the paper, has had similar mental issues over his actions, do you have no regard for both Lyon , Hird and their families ?
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Lyon and Hird bought it all on themselves.


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If you are in the public eye it comes with the territory.  I notice Lyon is returning in 2017 , I guess there are some benefits involved Smile

As for Hird, The Golden Child could never admit a mistake, wrong doing or misstep. He can also not countenace lack of success in anything he puts his hand to. I guess reality got to him.

I hope he recovers and grows up when he does
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Sky reported "suspected, intentional poisoning" on the 7.30am news but I'm guessing it's simply media sensationalism Angry
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Right again Whale, djebel.

AFL this ASADA that, bah, blah, blah ... Essendon and Hird were trying to covertly gain an unfair advantage over the pack, and they got caught! ... simple as that!Dead

Do the wrong thing, get caught, deny your wrong doing, have a break down. 

... it's just so fashionable today, and the ultimate cop out to claim the victim status!Cry

Whatever happened to; kiss up, get caught, apologise and cop the consequences, move on ...?Thumbs Up
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Have to agree with some of the sentiment here. If a true sign of character is to admit your mistakes and try to clean (as opposed to cover) up after yourself, then Hird showed absolutely none through that whole saga.

I'm sure everyone will wish him well, but the chief architect of this whole sorry mess is Hird himself.
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Marked difference in the way Cronulla NRL club handled the same situation, and marked difference in the way things have gone for them as opposed to Essendon.
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To be fair to Essendon, were screwed by the AFL's "holier than thou" decision to deal with it all in house.

Had they just gone along with what ASAD wanted, it all would have been over a lot sooner, and they may well have got a more lenient outcome.

In saying that, The Bombers will have a window to win a flag now too ... clean even!

Still, Hird has made his own bed by taking it on like a Lawyer spending his client's money.

Hope that he can recover and learns from the experience.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

If you are in the public eye it comes with the territory.  I notice Lyon is returning in 2017 , I guess there are some benefits involved Smile

As for Hird, The Golden Child could never admit a mistake, wrong doing or misstep. He can also not countenace lack of success in anything he puts his hand to. I guess reality got to him.

I hope he recovers and grows up when he does

Well said, if a bit harsh. My only thought about it is that if someone had gotten through to him that he's allowed to put humiliation behind him and be grateful for his wealth, family and freedom to do anything he likes for the rest of his life, he might have realized he's bloody fortunate compared to most. Some of these sports stars are stuck in adolescence.
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True stayer - they get pampered and protected from a very early age ... too much money around, and too many vested interests who are always telling them it't not their fault ... some handle it all very well (including the inevitable troughs), but some don't.
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Nothing should ever come to this point. Terribly sad situation, and not the time to be pointing fingers at anyone.
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Yea but (if it was an overdose) it's a sad situation that shouldn't be papered over. It's worth discussing what led to a guy in his 40s overdosing. He's not a kid - he's meant to be grown up and the father of a family. He's either a silly, selfish bugger or there's something wrong with the culture surrounding him.
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If it was an attempted suicide it shouldn't be looked on as a selfish act- most suicides are from people in a pretty desperate place, who by and large think the world is better off without them. Most are suffering a mental illness, and it strikes all sections of the community (for instance farmers are usually highly represented in suicide stats).

All speculation of course, but it's conceivable someone like Hird, who watched his amazing life go into a complete tailspin (through his own choices it has to be said), could have become severely depressed. Unfortunately, that's sometimes enough.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

If it was an attempted suicide it shouldn't be looked on as a selfish act- most suicides are from people in a pretty desperate place, who by and large think the world is better off without them. Most are suffering a mental illness, and it strikes all sections of the community (for instance farmers are usually highly represented in suicide stats).

All speculation of course, but it's conceivable someone like Hird, who watched his amazing life go into a complete tailspin (through his own choices it has to be said), could have become severely depressed. Unfortunately, that's sometimes enough.

Fair enough. I didn't think of the "better off without them" thing - still a silly way of thinking and people around him should have helped.
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Yea but (if it was an overdose) it's a sad situation that shouldn't be papered over. It's worth discussing what led to a guy in his 40s overdosing. He's not a kid - he's meant to be grown up and the father of a family. He's either a silly, selfish bugger or there's something wrong with the culture surrounding him.

Yep.   Couldnt agree more.   No doubt there would be lots of interventions in place for these sportsmen.
All they have to do is step up to the plate and ask for help.
Poor old farmers and battlers just dont even get a look in.
And they are topping themselves every day , somewhere out bush, and never make the headlines because they arnt famous.
These famous folks, be they sportsmen or "stars " always have a support network to fall back on, but they are still too daft to use it.
Meanwhile farmers and bushies are going out like flys, and no one even notices.
I feel sorry for the families of the people who do this, but not the person themselves.


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Wowee AA, mental illness doesn't discriminate. To treat a famous person as less deserving of respect and support as a farmer is ludicrous.
Have you ever considered that due to their success and fame, they can then be less likely to seek support due to that being an admission of failure?
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Yea but (if it was an overdose) it's a sad situation that shouldn't be papered over. It's worth discussing what led to a guy in his 40s overdosing. He's not a kid - he's meant to be grown up and the father of a family. He's either a silly, selfish bugger or there's something wrong with the culture surrounding him.


Yep.   Couldnt agree more.   No doubt there would be lots of interventions in place for these sportsmen.
All they have to do is step up to the plate and ask for help.
Poor old farmers and battlers just dont even get a look in.
And they are topping themselves every day , somewhere out bush, and never make the headlines because they arnt famous.
These famous folks, be they sportsmen or "stars " always have a support network to fall back on, but they are still too daft to use it.
Meanwhile farmers and bushies are going out like flys, and no one even notices.
I feel sorry for the families of the people who do this, but not the person themselves.



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And I mean a failure in their eyes. Seeking help should never be seen as failure, but to some people used to success and achievement, they may see it that way.
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Cabrini is the very definition of a rich person hospital, but i doubt his in there unless something serious is wrong.
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the media report the families request for privacy. whilst they converge and camp outside the family home for days.
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Wowee AA, mental illness doesn't discriminate. To treat a famous person as less deserving of respect and support as a farmer is ludicrous.
Have you ever considered that due to their success and fame, they can then be less likely to seek support due to that being an admission of failure?

I see it as the other way around.  Famous people get all the attention they seem to seek/need, and its never enough to stop them doing this sort of thing.  (  Why do we automatically have to respect famous people, by the way ? There are a lot of famous people who dont deserve an ounce of respect, but thats just MHO. )
Ordinary old Joe Blow has to fight tooth and nail for it.  
Its always headlines when someone like this bloke does these things, but not one bit of attention or respect gets directed to the ordinary person going thru their own hell.
This family needs all the help they can get to weather this storm, on top of all the previous stuff they have had to go thru, thanks to his actions.

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