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Frankel in December 2012
The release by Juddmonte Farms of  Group 1 winners/producers due to visit Frankel (Galileo) is certainly a list worthy of his the World's best ever thoroughbred. Looking down the names many of these tabulated pedigrees make fascinating viewing when viewed under Frankel's pedigree. With both Sadler's Wells' and Danehill sire-lines dominating many of the Europe's top mares it was going to be interesting to see how many Frankel's first book were going to be either line-bred Sadler's Wells or Danehill. 

Of the list released Frankel will be bred to nine mares that will create line-breeding to Sadler's Wells. Sadler's Wells duplicated in a pedigree is still fairly new within Stakes winners. There have been a total of 15 stakes winners bred on the pattern of which six are bred on a Sadler's Wells/Sadler's Wells cross. The first stakes winner bred on a Sadler's Wells duplication was in 2006 when  Upstaged (In The Wings) won a Listed race in Australia in 2006. Since then there have been further 14 stakes winners includes three Gr 1 winners  Dewhurst Stakes winner Parish Hall (Teofilo, who is bred on the same Galileo/Danehill cross as Frankel) and 2012 Chilean Gr 1 winner La Porotitta (Milonguero Wells) (who are both bred on Sadler's Wells/Sadler's Wells crosses) as well as a Kamsin (Samum), who won the 2008 German Derby.

Gr 1 winning/producing mares that will create line-breeding to Sadler's Wells

Clepsydra (Sadler’s Wells): Sadler’s Wells 3x2
Lahudood (Singspiel): Sadler’s Wells 3x4
Lahaleeb (Redback): Sadler’s Wells 3x5, Special 5x6,7
Divine Proportions (Kingmambo): Sadler’s Wells 3x3, Special 5x5
Dar Re Mi (Singspiel): Sadler’s Wells 3x4
Miss Keller (Montjeu): Sadler’s Wells 3x3
Proportional (Beat Hollow): Sadler’s Wells 3x3
Rose of Summer (El Prado): Sadler’s Wells 3x3
Timepiece (Zamindar): Sadler’s Wells 3x3

There are four mares line-bred to Danehill. Line-breeding to Danehill has produced nine stakes winners of which three are bred on a Danehill/Danehill cross. The first stakes winner line-bred to Danehill was Australian Gr 3 winning sprinter Psycholgist (Choisir), who was out of a Danzero (Danehill). Most of the stakes winners bred on a Danehill cross have been in Australian but Ladies Are Foverever (Monsieur Bond), has proved to be useful Gr 3 winner in Europe. What is encouraging about Frankel breeding the to Danehill line is that Teofilo (who is also bred on the Galileo/Danehill cross) is that not only has he produced his 2012 Carlingford Stakes (L) winner Paene Magnus is out of a Danehill daughter (creating Danehill 3x2).

Gr 1 winning/producing mares that will create line-breeding to Danehill

Dancing Rain (Danehill Dancer): Danehill 3x3
Danedream (Lomitas): Danehill 3x3

Emulous (Dansili): Danehill 3x3
Giofra (Dansili): Danehill 3x3 (Danzig 4x4,5)

Teofilo showed in 2012 that he also seems to work well with mares stemming from other Danzig strains, therefore creating line-breeding to Danzig. He has sired four stakes winners (including Paene Magnus) to Danzig line mares, who all won in 2012, including which include Gr 3 winners Trading Leather (out of a Sinndar (Grand Lodge) daughter) and Havana Gold (out of a Green Desert line mare). 

Gr 1 winning/producing mares that will create line-breeding to Danzig (excluding Danehill)

Midday (Oasis Dream): Danzig 4x4, Special 5x6
Heat Haze (Green Desert): Danzig 4x3
Diary (Green Desert): Danzig 4x3
Queen's Logic (Grand Lodge): Danzig 4x4

Line-breeding to Special has long proved to be popular and productive pattern within stakes winners pedigrees. Although all the mares that will carry Sadler's Wells will create a Special duplication (Special is Sadler's Wells' 2nd Dam), Frankel is due to visit nine mares that create line-breeding to Special via another sibling. Divine Proportions (Kingmambo), who is herself bred on the cross, and Lahaleeb, whose dam is line-bred to Special, and therefore creating three crosses of Special. Galileo has sired 15 stakes winner with Special duplication (within 4 generations), which includes Rip Van Winkle (Gr 1). 

Other patterns that caught my attention was that two crosses will create line-breeding to Miswaki (Mr Prospector), while Dubawi's dam, Zomaradah (Deploy), will create line-breeding to Where Yo Lead, as will the two mares Binche (Woodman) and African Rose (Observatory) who also create line-breeding to Rainbow Quest (Blushing Groom).

Of the names released Frankel will also cover the following mother and daughter combinations:

Aspiring Diva (Distant View) dam of; Emulous (Dansili)
Clepsydra (Sadler’s Wells); dam of Timepiece (Zamindar)
Eden's Causeway (Giant’s Causeway) dam of; Eden's Moon (Malibu Moon)
Midsummer (Kingmambo) dam of: Midday (Oasis Dream)

All this aside this looks a top-class book of mares for Frankel and a very exciting time for the thoroughbred bred. CWC


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I am only a novice on pedigrees but interseting too see inbreeding of special in a number of teh examples above.
 
I have a mare that is 4x5 special and i am hoping to load more of it into pedigree... a good thing???
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Originally posted by Muddy Muddy wrote:

I am only a novice on pedigrees but interseting too see inbreeding of special in a number of teh examples above.
 
I have a mare that is 4x5 special and i am hoping to load more of it into pedigree... a good thing???

Its not a bad thing.


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Frankels first foal born on Saturday. Its a COLT.

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Frankel (GB)
Bay 2008
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Kind
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rainbow Lake
Bay 1990
Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981
Blushing Groom
I Will Follow
1974
1975
22-d
14-f
Rockfest
Chestnut 1979
Stage Door Johnny
Rock Garden
1965
1970
1-l
1-k
Chrysanthemum (IRE)
Bay 2008
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Lettre d'Amour
Grey 1979
Caro
Lianga
1967
1971
3-o
22-b
Well Spoken
Bay 2002
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Saintly Speech
Bay or brown 1997
Southern Halo
Bay 1983
Halo
Northern Sea
1969
1974
2-d
16-g
Eloquent Minister
Bay 1986
Deputy Minister
Art Talk
1979
1971
10-a
6-a
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Wow, what a wonderful sex balanced linebreed on the 3rd line to 2 of the great stallions of our time. Looks great on paper, now lets see how it runs!!!Geek
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Depending on the bookie, it's between 80-1 and 66-1 to win the Epsom Derby...
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Originally posted by reng reng wrote:

Depending on the bookie, it's between 80-1 and 66-1 to win the Epsom Derby...

I doubt it will stay 2400m. 


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Some would call that inbreeding!.Personally I don't think manypeople who plan their matings with some degree of prior knowledge would breed that intensely and closely unless they wanted an unraced broodmare.
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Why would that be glen!! Seems to be a lot more happening in the major studs throughout Europe and USA and somewhat in aus with particular emphasis to danhill and Danzig! Be curios why this would be the case as breeding unraced broodmares wouldn't seem viable .
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

Some would call that inbreeding!.Personally I don't think manypeople who plan their matings with some degree of prior knowledge would breed that intensely and closely unless they wanted an unraced broodmare.
Yes technically from the 3rd line in its inbreeding Glencoe!
My post was meant to be slightly sarcastic and somewhat questioning this very technical breeding matchup(quess it did not come across that wayConfused)
The only real proof will be if it can run as a quality racehorse!!
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Automatic Choice (2012) - G - 1-n 
by Delightful Choice out of Missun by Masterclass to 6 generations
Delightful Choice
2006
Redoute's Choice
1996
Danehill
1986
Danzig
1977
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Pas De Nom
1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959 - 4-n
1952 - 7-a
Razyana
1981
His Majesty
1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952 - 4-l
1952 - 4-d
Spring Adieu
1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963 - 1-x
1957 - 2-d
Shantha's Choice
1992
Canny Lad
1987
Bletchingly
1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965 - 2-o
1959 - 7-a
Jesmond Lass
1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970 - 7-f
1967 - 14
Dancing Show
1983
Nijinsky II
1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961 - 2-d
1959 - 8-f
Show Lady
1976
Sir Ivor
Best In Show
1965 - 8-g
1965 - 8-f
Lady's Delight
1992
Local Talent
1986
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Home Love
1976
Vaguely Noble
1965
Vienna
Noble Lassie
1957 - 14-c
1956 - 1-d
Homespun
1969
Round Table
Gal I Love
1954 - 2-f
1959 - 17-b
You're My Lady
1980
Roberto
1969
Hail To Reason
1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951 - 1-w
1948 - 4-n
Bramalea
1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952 - 3-m
1949 - 12-c
Spring Adieu
1974
Buckpasser
1963
Tom Fool
Busanda
1949 - 3-j
1947 - 1-x
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Missun
2003
Masterclass
1988
The Minstrel
1974
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Fleur
1964
Victoria Park
1957
Chop Chop
Victoriana
1940 - 2-a
1952 - 10-c
Flaming Page
1959
Bull Page
Flaring Top
1947 - 4-m
1947 - 8-f
Monroe
1977
Sir Ivor
1965
Sir Gaylord
1959
Turn-To
Somethingroyal
1951 - 1-w
1952 - 2-s
Attica
1953
Mr Trouble
Athenia
1947 - 13-b
1943 - 8-g
Best In Show
1965
Traffic Judge
1952
Alibhai
Traffic Court
1938 - 6-d
1938 - 3-n
Stolen Hour
1953
Mr Busher
Late Date
1946 - 1-x
1929 - 8-f
Candle Star
1986
Moulton
1976
Mount Hagen
1971
Bold Bidder
1962
Bold Ruler
High Bid
1954 - 8-d
1956 - 3-n
Moonmadness
1963
Tom Fool
Sunset III
1949 - 3-j
1950 - 1-p
Pretty Bubbles
1968
Agricola
1956
Precipitation
Aurora
1933 - 2-i
1936 - 1-w
Froth
1954
Faux Tirage
Home Brew
1946 - 9-c
1947 - 10-d
Star Mannequin
1981
Star Shower
1976
Star Of Heaven
1961
Star Kingdom
Magic Symbol
1946 - 1-g
1956 - 2-o
Show
1970
Novalis
Covent Garden
1959 - 4-r
1965 - 8-a
Flaunting
1973
Showdown
1961
Infatuation
Zanzara
1951 - 16-h
1951 - 6-b
Pageantry
1963
Arctic Explorer
Buttons And Bows
1954 - 14-c
1948 - 1-n
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It goes to show what can happen when mares from poor families (lately) & race performance (1/28) are cleverly but cheaply mated to achieve a clear upgrade. Interestingly the mating has been dually repeated Smile. Noted that Flaunting & Pageantry were themselves top performers & producers, I think Moulton may've been the spanner in the works Wink
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The line still had potential...

MISSUN (AUS)
B. 2003
Wnr 1 win
f:2 r:1 w:1 SW:1

Candle Star
B. 1986
NR
f:8 r:8 w:7

Star Mannequin
Ch. 1981
Pld
f:9 r:7 w:4

Flaunting
Ch. 1973
SP 5 wins
f:7 r:6 w:4 SW:2

Pageantry
B. 1963
Wnr 1 win
f:8 r:8 w:6 SW:1

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Nostradamus11 & Gay3

I think you both have valid points. Many buyers would look at the pedigree page like Gay3 has and conclude that the immediate family hasn't done much even though as dams they have produced as Nostra points out. But further back it is a solid producing female family and Gay3 point of recognising that and cleverly mating for an upgrade can achieve results.
In NZ I look at some of the fillies in the NZB Festival sale that sell very cheaply ( but are from very good female families back a few generations). For a young person getting into breeding it is very good cheap way to start (esp. if they have access to land some land to reduce the costs).
Nostra. I often do a summary down the side of a sales catalogue page, the way you have done. I think it is a great way to get a quick picture of the how well the family produces reasonable types of horse as well as the overall race record of the family.
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Nostra there was another very interesting pedigree at Flemington yesterday.
VERTICAL HOLD a classic,elegant,scopy staying type with a fair bit of furnishing still to do. Or, at least I thought so.
In fact the impression was strong enough for me to come home and look it up. I think her pedigree is worth discussing. would you kindly post it for us.
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

Nostra there was another very interesting pedigree at Flemington yesterday.
VERTICAL HOLD a classic,elegant,scopy staying type with a fair bit of furnishing still to do. Or, at least I thought so.
In fact the impression was strong enough for me to come home and look it up. I think her pedigree is worth discussing. would you kindly post it for us.

 
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Always love your posts Swynford Thumbs Up
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Thanks Gay3  I have been following Green Dancer for a while now, if you are looking for potential stars, from a line breeding point of view I think its a great source. Could be throwing good fillies too which is a great bonus.
Love this pedigree, ...top line of the mare with the bottom line of the stallion.

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...Another good filly from a Quest For Fame mare with a stallion from the #16 family. 




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Glencoe...

Vertical Hold (2011) - F - 1-n 
by Authorized out of Contrast by Quest For Fame to 7 generations
Authorized
2004
Montjeu
1996
Sadler's Wells
1981
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
1935
Pharos
Nogara
1920 - 13-e
1928 - 4-r
Lady Angela
1944
Hyperion
Sister Sarah
1930 - 6-e
1930 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
1950
Polynesian
Geisha
1942 - 14-a
1943 - 5-f
Almahmoud
1947
Mahmoud
Arbitrator
1933 - 9-c
1937 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975
Bold Reason
1968
Hail To Reason
1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951 - 1-w
1948 - 4-n
Lalun
1952
Djeddah
Be Faithful
1945 - 13-c
1942 - 19-b
Special
1969
Forli
1963
Aristophanes
Trevisa
1948 - 9-c
1951 - 3-b
Thong
1964
Nantallah
Rough Shod
1953 - 6
1944 - 5-h
Floripedes
1985
Top Ville
1976
High Top
1969
Derring-Do
1961
Darius
Sipsey Bridge
1951 - 1-t
1954 - 21-a
Camenae
1961
Vimy
Madrilene
1952 - 1-u
1951 - 11-a
Sega Ville
1968
Charlottesville
1957
Prince Chevalier
Noorani
1943 - 9-f
1950 - 14-a
La Sega
1959
Tantieme
La Danse
1947 - 20-a
1951 - 8-i
Toute Cy
1979
Tennyson
1970
Val De Loir
1959
Vieux Manoir
Vali
1947 - 10-e
1954 - 5-h
Tidra
1964
Prince Taj
Djebel Idra
1954 - 9-c
1957 - 1-t
Adele Toumignon
1971
Zeddaan
1965
Grey Sovereign
Vareta
1948 - 6-f
1953 - 11-b
Alvorada
1960
Beau Prince II
Fair Dolly
1952 - 1-r
1945 - 1-u
Funsie
1999
Saumarez
1987
Rainbow Quest
1981
Blushing Groom
1974
Red God
1954
Nasrullah
Spring Run
1940 - 9-c
1948 - 8-c
Runaway Bride
1962
Wild Risk
Aimee
1940 - 3-f
1957 - 22-d
I Will Follow
1975
Herbager
1956
Vandale
Flagette
1943 - 3-c
1951 - 16-c
Where You Lead
1970
Raise A Native
Noblesse
1961 - 8-f
1960 - 14-f
Fiesta Fun
1978
Welsh Pageant
1966
Tudor Melody
1956
Tudor Minstrel
Matelda
1944 - 9-c
1947 - 1-n
Picture Light
1954
Court Martial
Queen Of Light
1942 - 1-p
1949 - 1-s
Antigua
1958
Hyperion
1930
Gainsborough
Selene
1915 - 2-n
1919 - 6-e
Nassau
1947
Nasrullah
Meraline
1940 - 9-c
1939 - 16-a
Vallee Dansante
1981
Lyphard
1969
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Goofed
1960
Court Martial
1942
Fair Trial
Instantaneous
1932 - 9-c
1931 - 1-p
Barra II
1950
Formor
La Favorite
1934 - 4-d
1934 - 17-b
Green Valley
1967
Val De Loir
1959
Vieux Manoir
1947
Brantome
Vieille Maison
1931 - 27-a
1936 - 10-e
Vali
1954
Sunny Boy
Her Slipper
1944 - 16-a
1936 - 5-h
Sly Pola
1957
Spy Song
1943
Balladier
Mata Hari
1932 - 3-j
1931 - 2-o
Ampola
1949
Pavot
Blue Denim
1942 - 10-a
1940 - 16-c
Contrast
2001
Quest For Fame
1987
Rainbow Quest
1981
Blushing Groom
1974
Red God
1954
Nasrullah
1940
Nearco
Mumtaz Begum
1935 - 4-r
1932 - 9-c
Spring Run
1948
Menow
Boola Brook
1935 - 8-g
1937 - 8-c
Runaway Bride
1962
Wild Risk
1940
Rialto
Wild Violet
1923 - 12
1935 - 3-f
Aimee
1957
Tudor Minstrel
Emali
1944 - 9-c
1945 - 22-d
I Will Follow
1975
Herbager
1956
Vandale
1943
Plassy
Vanille
1932 - 13-e
1929 - 3-c
Flagette
1951
Escamillo
Fidgette
1939 - 14-a
1939 - 16-c
Where You Lead
1970
Raise A Native
1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950 - 5-f
1946 - 8-f
Noblesse
1960
Mossborough
Duke's Delight
1947 - 6-e
1946 - 14-f
Aryenne
1977
Green Dancer
1972
Nijinsky II
1967
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Flaming Page
1959
Bull Page
Flaring Top
1947 - 4-m
1947 - 8-f
Green Valley
1967
Val De Loir
1959
Vieux Manoir
Vali
1947 - 10-e
1954 - 5-h
Sly Pola
1957
Spy Song
Ampola
1943 - 2-o
1949 - 16-c
Americaine
1968
Cambremont
1962
Sicambre
1948
Prince Bio
Sif
1941 - 1-d
1936 - 7-e
Djebellica
1948
Djebel
Nica
1937 - 5-j
1934 - 1-t
Alora
1954
Ballyogan
1939
Fair Trial
Serial
1932 - 9-c
1932 - 2-s
Agnes
1944
Biribi
Anne De Bretagne
1923 - 27-a
1932 - 4-i
Cerise 'n' Black
1989
Zephyr Bay
1970
Biscay
1965
Star Kingdom
1946
Stardust
1937
Hyperion
Sister Stella
1930 - 6-e
1923 - 16
Impromptu
1939
Concerto
Thoughtless
1928 - 7
1934 - 1-g
Magic Symbol
1956
Makarpura
1946
Big Game
Cap D'Or
1939 - 6-e
1937 - 22-c
Magic Wonder
1949
Newtown Wonder
Conveyor
1942 - 11
1945 - 2-o
Heavenly Wind
1958
Pan II
1947
Atys
1934
Asterus
Esclarmonde
1923 - 9-f
1924 - 9
Pretty Girl
1937
Tourbillon
Princess Wazara
1928 - 13-c
1922 - 2-d
Perilla
1945
Ringmaster
1930
Colorado
Vervelle
1923 - 3-l
1923 - 1-l
Minga
1935
Limond
Motley
1913 - 1-i
1921 - 22-b
Pink And Brown
1981
Blue And Gold
1973
Biscay
1965
Star Kingdom
1946
Stardust
Impromptu
1937 - 16
1939 - 1-g
Magic Symbol
1956
Makarpura
Magic Wonder
1946 - 22-c
1949 - 2-o
Behold
1967
Sky High
1957
Star Kingdom
Flight's Daughter
1946 - 1-g
1949 - 1-n
Mamarika
1961
Faux Tirage
Banish
1946 - 9-c
1953 - 22-b
Imitation
1976
Sostenuto
1958
Never Say Die
1951
Nasrullah
Singing Grass
1940 - 9-c
1944 - 1-n
Arietta
1953
Tudor Minstrel
Anne Of Essex
1944 - 9-c
1941 - 2-i
Emulation
1954
Dogger Bank
1946
Fairway
Herringbone
1925 - 13-e
1940 - 8-c
Golden Tainui
1944
Foxhunter
Kilmurry
1929 - 1-l
1931 - 1-n
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aarque1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2015 at 1:50pm
Yes and Makfi over a Rainbow Quest line mare not only has the Green Valley but also brings in Where You Lead twice.  Would love to try it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Ticino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2015 at 8:22pm
Hello from Germany,
in "Make Believes damline I spot Rosy's Posy is bred 4x5 Little Hut via Distant Relative and Suave Dancer.

Quest for Fame traces to Anne of Bretagne, see my post from 5.6.1
Mating plans I Wannybelucky.

regards, Ticino
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gay3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 8:22am
Thanks Ticino Thumbs Up
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glencoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 2015 at 8:16pm
Thankyou Nostra, Swynford & Ticino for the follow.

Yes she is a very likely type & I believe is endowed with a fair share of ability. I couldn't believe the intricacy of the mating when I first looked at Vertical Holds pedigree.

Interestingly this filly was "found" at the Scone sale for $31K by John Foote     (a man who knows)
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