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    Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 4:35pm
WIN SMOOTHLY, is the 18th BTW inbred to Danehill. He won Lisboa Prelude (L) in Macau last week and is 1st BT winner by Court Command (Commands)  

Three horse inbred to Danehill won G1 race:
GUELPH , ASTAIRE and SOUTHERN LORD

One won G2 race:

Six won G3 race:

All BTP horses inbred to Danehill you can find through Blacktypepedigree service Inbreeding (need to be registered) and If you will use "Monitor changes on query results" - you will find all new horses or results of older horses inbred to Danehill in your mailbox.
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Inevitable that there will be more and more cases of horses with Danehill duplications with the passing of eah year from here on in. His presense is ubiquitous in the Australian breeding herd. 
Steel Rose is a dubious case of being "inbred" to Danehill, her sire Guillotine is devoid of Danehill, her dam Aga Panther is indeed inbred to Danehill 2x3.
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18 stakes winners from how many runners? 
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I would of thought there would be on a lot more than 18 total (within 3 gen) . How many ND x ND 3rd gen get !! Would think danehill will better that in time. In aus anyway
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Triple Danehill?

Tara Madgwick - Wednesday, 13 May 2015
The two year-old colts and geldings maiden at Canterbury on Wednesday was won by promising Sebring gelding Bring a Secret, who has a little secret in that he might be the first winner to carry three lines of Danehill in his pedigree.

Prepared at Canberra by Nick Olive, Bring a Secret was narrowly beaten in a $20,000 juvenile event at Wagga last month when resuming from a spell and quickly made amends here.

Sent out favourite with Glyn Schofield in the saddle, Bring a Secret found the line strongly to win by more than a length over 1250 metres as favourite.

"We’ve had an opinion of him since day one,” revealed Nick Olive.

"We’ll get him home and see how he progresses, although he is entered for the big race in Brisbane (Group I JJ Atkins Classic).

"He’s a nice horse with a big future.”

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Bring a Secret was consigned to the Inglis Australian Easter Yearling Sale by Newgate Farm on behalf of his Canberra based breeders Roz and Callum Beaton of  Cuillin Hills Thoroughbreds, but passed in shy of his $60,000 reserve.

He is the third winner from three foals to race from Secrets Sleeping (NZ), who was also trained by Nick Olive and won three races including a victory at Warwick Farm.

A daughter of Danehill’s Group I winning son Viking Ruler, Secrets Sleeping comes from the family of Group I stars Cosmic Endeavour, Easy Rocking and Fairy King Prawn and has a close double cross of Danehill as her dam Stella’s Pantry is by Danewin.

Combining Secrets Sleeping with Sebring, who also has a line of Danehill being from a daughter of Flying Spur, gives Bring a Secret the triple treat - 4 x 3 x 4 !

One might think that three lines of a bay dominant sire like Danehill would result in a bay, but not so, as Bring a Secret has two chestnut parents and is a flashy chestnut with some prominent white markings!

Secrets Sleeping has a yearling colt to follow by Denman and another weanling filly by Sebring, which is also chestnut.
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I've decided to inbreed to Danehill 3 x 3 this season with my mare Lone Ballad.  She's booked into Foxwedge.  Given that she is also a 3/4 sister to Rock Sturdy (Lone Ballad is by Holy Roman Emperor), I thought I'd give it a go.
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I'm thinking the same. Al maher mare to helmet this season
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Inbred to Danehill 
2,881 Foals of Racing Age
1,245 Starters
546 Winners
28 Stakes winners

That is 1% SW to Starters. No magic beans here!
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Winners to runners % would not be considered very flash either .
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Thanks Brogers - greats stats and crystal clear info. Good job
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Originally posted by brogers brogers wrote:


Inbred to Danehill 
2,881 Foals of Racing Age
1,245 Starters
546 Winners
28 Stakes winners

That is 1% SW to Starters. No magic beans here!

Isn't that 1% to foals of racing age rather than starters ?


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Either way its a small percentage but is it small compared to the rest of the population ?

Also how much of that inbreeding is through poor quality stock ?




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Either way its a small percentage but is it small compared to the rest of the population ?

Also how much of that inbreeding is through poor quality stock ?




That's the question.

Danehill is a victim of his own success. Any son of his that remained intact was sent to stand there for a while - The number of Danehill sons at stud are staggering- and most of them very ordinary.

I fear the cross will always be low due to sheer numbers of poor quality.
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Hello,
the thirdplaced Amona (by Aussie Rules), Diana Trial, 2000 meters Group 2, at Berlin/Hoppegarten, is bred 2x3 Danehill.

It's the first time I've seen a Thouroughbred inbred to Danehill at a German racetrack.

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I have a confession..... 

I prefer pedigrees with out Danehill and to a lesser extent ND influence in them.... Very hard to find, as they have been done to death.... 
 


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Be interested to know the stats in foals with 4 lines of northern dancer and there performance on the track
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Danehill, in Australia and NZ, will turnout to be the modern day Hyperion or Nearco in pedigrees, over the next 10-15 years
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Maybe right. Over time it will be virtually impossible to avoid duplications. Inbreeding however can be avoided as Danehill will be appearing further back in the pedigree.
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Originally posted by Oritah Oritah wrote:

I have a confession..... 

I prefer pedigrees with out Danehill and to a lesser extent ND influence in them.... Very hard to find, as they have been done to death.... 
 



Are you an Aga Khan devotee ?

He was adamant the Never Bend sireline would outlast/outdo Northern Dancer. 


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Oritah Oritah wrote:

I have a confession..... 

I prefer pedigrees with out Danehill and to a lesser extent ND influence in them.... Very hard to find, as they have been done to death.... 
 



Are you an Aga Khan devotee ?

He was adamant the Never Bend sireline would outlast/outdo Northern Dancer. 

No Djebel - to be honest I dont know much abut him Embarrassed but I like their stallions!!! That Grey Dalakhani being my favorite Smile  

I just think there are to many ordinary and/or unproven Danehill sons running around which can result in undesirable traits coming thru. 

While ND is just in so many pedigrees - its hard to avoid - you can very quickly end up with over  6 duplication's. Which I know many people like - but you must remember those double ups can be of both good and bad traits - genetics are a funny thing....   

Having said all that - I am no expert here, my 1st TB foals are in utero...  
    
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New Stakes-Winner for Double Danehill

Tara Madgwick - Monday, 14 November 2016

The much maligned double Danehill cross featured last Saturday with a new stakes-winner, so we thought it was timely to take a look at the stats with yearling sales just around the corner.
Three year-old filly Prompt Response posted her first stakes win when successful in the Listed MRC Twilight Glow Stakes to become the 43rdstakes-winner worldwide to carry the double cross.

She is by the Redoute's Choice stallion Beneteau from a daughter of Exceed and Excel, so has exactly the sort of 3 x 3 Danehill male line to male line pedigree that many people now shy away from.

The stats for this exact pattern of line breeding are 45.9% winners to runners with 322 winners from 702 runners including 10 stakes-winners headed by Hong Kong Derby HK Gr 1winner Luger, who is by Choisir from a daughter of Danzero.

Luger also has a Group III winning full sister in Psychologist, while Prompt Response has a Group III winning full brother in Prompt Return.

Prompt Response is the fourth Australian stakes-winner this season to carry the double Danehill, the other three stakes-winners being Don't Doubt Mamma (3 x 4) and Selenia (3 x 4), both by Not a Single Doubt and Ulmann (4 x 2), who is by Sebring ( whose dam is by Flying Spur) from a daughter of Danehill.

The overall stats for double Danehill in any way shape or form within five generations is 46.1 % winners to runners with 1048 winners from 2272 runners including 43 stakes-winners headed by Group I winners Guelph, Astaire and Southern Lord.

Love it or hate it, there is plenty of double Danehill out there and savvy breeders that can crack the case on how to make it work will be the big winners in time.
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My Keffelstein mare just had a positive to Rock Hero,  so the foal will have Danehill in 4th remove on dam side and 3rd remove on sires side
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looks to be a smart horse

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There's a strong concentration of 'Barb'-line sires in the centre of Snitzson's pedigree.

Perhaps this diversity is a contributing factor here - and something that might make the Snitzel/Blackfriars cross work?... and, in turn, put King's Troop on the radar for WA breeders.
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Many don't believe in duplicating Danzig in pedigrees either especially in this manner.  However with Snitzel I am wondering if mares from the Grey Sovereign male line lower in the pedigree are an important part of the pedigree.  

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Mares from the Grey Sovereign male line appear in other stallions when Snippets is in the same position.

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He's certainly potent in many cases when duplicated & was the 1st thing I was drawn to when spotting that chart Big smile
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