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    Posted: 11 Aug 2014 at 8:04am
I saw tweets from Bruce Clark and then Adrian Dunn over the weekend regarding a horse being scratched from Warrnambool yesterday because the trainer was in the 'Big House'.
I believe the trainer was Nathan McPherson [as per Adrian Dunn tweet] and it sounds like he might have been sentenced on Friday.
Because of that the Stewards deemed him not to be in charge of the horse and scratched it.
Have been in racing a long long time and have never heard of that happening before.
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what did he do?
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nothing mentioned in the stewards report from yesterday?
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AN experienced motorcycle racer who out-paced police by riding his motorcycle at 215km/h near Purnim avoided prison due to the condition of the state’s jails.

Nathan McPherson, 28, now of Timor Street, Warrnambool, pleaded guilty in Warrnambool Magistrates Court to reckless conduct endangering serious injury, dangerous driving while being pursued by police, unlicensed driving, theft and using false number plates.

The former WA miner was fined $7250 and copped a six-month jail sentence, which was suspended for two years, and his driver’s licence was cancelled for three years. Magistrate Jonathan Klestadt said one of the reasons he did not lock up McPherson was the appalling conditions in Victoria’s jails, which he described as “bursting at the seams”.

He said McPherson put himself and other road users at risk through his foolish driving behaviour.

“You may be the next best thing to Casey Stoner on the track, but south-west roads are not billiard table smooth,” Mr Klestadt said.

‘‘Any unexpected road irregularity would likely cause you to lose control.

“If your vehicle struck another vehicle it would be like a bomb going off.

‘‘If you ran into a fence post dropper you would be dead.

‘‘At 215km/h your motorcycle travels 60 metres every second.”

Police alleged that at 8.18pm on April 20 McPherson was riding a red 998cc Ducati super bike along the Hamilton Highway near Purnim when he was detected by police travelling at 140km/h.

McPherson pulled over in Purnim for a couple of seconds then accelerated away.

The police officer terminated a pursuit when he was unable to reach the motorbike which was travelling in excess of 215km/h.

A check of the motorcycle’s licence plate found the number was registered to a blue Yamaha.

Lengthy inquiries revealed that McPherson had taken the number plate from a friend’s garage and fixed it to his bike.

McPherson surrendered himself to police, his motorbike, which he has since sold, was impounded, and he told officers he had “just freaked”.

Defence counsel Matt Senia said his client, who was an experienced motorcycle racer, could not resist going for a ride after returning home from working in Western Australia.

He said McPherson hit high speeds in an attempt to avoid police because he was in trouble.

Mr Klestadt said McPherson had earlier this year appeared in a Western Australia court for almost identical offending.

McPherson must complete a safe driver course before being eligible to get his licence back.



From the local paper . Might have something to do with it??
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Perhaps the premier on Victoria should be putting more effort into fixing the gaols than keeping jumps racing afloat. 


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How can you 'fix' gaols that are 'bursting at the seams Confused, it looks to me, the way society is heading, that more are neded & in time, there'll be more of the population locked up than there are 'free' ones Disapprove
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Obviously you build more of them.

The problem for Liberals is, they are all noisy about law and order but when the gelati hits the fan they are all piss and wind. Law and order costs money. Something Liberals do not want to spend. 


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Stewards order scratching of Black Maestro

Racing Victoria stewards ordered the scratching of Black Maestro from Sunday’s Warrnambool meeting following a court appearance last week by trainer Nathan McPherson.

RV chairman of stewards Terry Bailey said Black Maestro was withdrawn as it was not “in the proper care and control of the trainer”.

Bailey said he was unsure of the particulars of McPherson’s appearance in the County Court, but the outcome meant he could no longer train his horses.

Members of the Compliance Assurance Team visited the McPherson's Carrum Downs stables on Saturday.


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I saw that bike riding thing I didn't know he was from WA... I am assuming someone was caught riding a bike again!
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Is he really a big loss to the industry. Seems like a complete knob.
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Have to agree with Insider , sounds like a goose and would be no loss to the game.
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The roads should be billiard table smooth, with all the revenure from fines they are raking in.

Also the jails are bursting at the seems because of all the people in there for victimless crimes. The only ones who should be in them are those who have commited very serious crimes or those or are a threat to society.
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Originally posted by Platinum Platinum wrote:

The roads should be billiard table smooth, with all the revenure from fines they are raking in.

Also the jails are bursting at the seems because of all the people in there for victimless crimes. The only ones who should be in them are those who have commited very serious crimes or those or are a threat to society.

There isn't enough room for all the politicians Platinum.
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Originally posted by Platinum Platinum wrote:

The roads should be billiard table smooth, with all the revenure from fines they are raking in.

Also the jails are bursting at the seems because of all the people in there for victimless crimes. The only ones who should be in them are those who have commited very serious crimes or those or are a threat to society.

what is a victimless crime?
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Originally posted by Air Seattle Air Seattle wrote:


Originally posted by Platinum Platinum wrote:

The roads should be billiard table smooth, with all the revenure from fines they are raking in.

Also the jails are bursting at the seems because of all the people in there for victimless crimes. The only ones who should be in them are those who have commited very serious crimes or those or are a threat to society.


what is a victimless crime?



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the jail system is archaic... so you have a small time thief or whatever, he goes in one of these places... it's pretty much like sending a person to crime university where he'll meet criminal contacts, learn new ideas and come out a more able criminal with a grudge! awesome plan... what they need to do is distinguish between the criminally insane and isolate them as they will never be rehabilitated and the rest, and then create a fine-heavy system and enforce it with the money you save on not having to pay foreign-owned and run jails 
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Wont the thief just steal more to pay his fines?
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Wont the thief just steal more to pay his fines?

pfft I don't think they even bother putting thieves in jail! you see these people on good behaviour bonds re-offending more and more... I was thinking along the lines of giving an option of gainful employment and a night-time curfew (ankle bracelet etc) and docking the pay. Out of curiosity, are people in jails considered in the unemployment counts? I know they are removed from the electoral roll etc 
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I am just saying that a small time criminal can really improve their abilities and connections while in jail, come out with a record that deems them unemployable and then people wonder at the level of people who reoffend
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I dont think so. I believe it is only people registered and actively searching for a job that are counted
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so let's say in this example Nathan goes to jail, now thus far his has most likely been a victim-less crime... what will society gain by him being in jail? but let's say he gets convicted and gets to pay 50% (or whatever) of his earnings for 5 years that is a financial win for society and hopefully he realizes that he'd have a lot more money if he stopped being stupid and avoids the bike! jails just grow grudges and resentment 
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

I dont think so. I believe it is only people registered and actively searching for a job that are counted

so the unemployment rates are manipulated by keeping jails full as well? Stern Smile
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Prisons are State run, Unemployment is a Federal issue
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Nathan should not worry. There are plenty more in the industry who will be wondering what it is like. A few of them would be joining him if the authorities released what they really know.
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government is government, they all eat from the same trough 
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Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Nathan should not worry. There are plenty more in the industry who will be wondering what it is like. A few of them would be joining him if the authorities released what they really know.

now these sound like crimes with lots of victims! do you know what they know?
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

government is government, they all eat from the same trough 

If a person is in prison it costs the state govt roughly $100k per year to keep them.

If they go on the dole the Federal govt has to pay them about $25k a year

States are not that generous towards the Federal govt
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Prisons are State run, Unemployment is a Federal issue

Why not lock up all the unemployed and the unemployment rate would drop. No need to build jails, just fence off whole suburbs, and give the catering rights to Macca's. Then prison would lose its stigma.

Prison supplies accommodation, food and medical care. Would be easy to transform suburbs into jails. Call them super low risk so the inmates can wander the city.
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Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Prisons are State run, Unemployment is a Federal issue

Why not lock up all the unemployed and the unemployment rate would drop. No need to build jails, just fence off whole suburbs, and give the catering rights to Macca's. Then prison would lose its stigma.

Prison supplies accommodation, food and medical care. Would be easy to transform suburbs into jails. Call them super low risk so the inmates can wander the city.

There are actually many people who aren't bothered by prison life who choose the security of being in there
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Prisons are State run, Unemployment is a Federal issue

Why not lock up all the unemployed and the unemployment rate would drop. No need to build jails, just fence off whole suburbs, and give the catering rights to Macca's. Then prison would lose its stigma.

Prison supplies accommodation, food and medical care. Would be easy to transform suburbs into jails. Call them super low risk so the inmates can wander the city.

There are actually many people who aren't bothered by prison life who choose the security of being in there

yes but that is after they have spent some time being there and get used to it! I don't think the various governments care about spending money that is not coming from their pocket anyway (think those 80k tables and chairs in the news the other day) however I do think that 100k loss per person (they do make them do stuff in there, like Freedom furniture, sewing napkins etc) can be used to much better results if only people would stop being so old-fashioned in their approach to law and order! 
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