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    Posted: 18 Jul 2011 at 8:22am
Just wondering if anyone has any experience with purchasing mares from the UK and/or USA? It seems to me that there are options to tap into bloodlines by purchasing in these countries for much cheaper than you can buy a mare with a similar pedigree here, even with the shipping costs!

What are people's opinions on this option?
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Shipping is about 20k factor in the other costs and you could buy a pretty decent mare out here.
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You would have to be looking at $100k+ horses to make it worth while and you have the problems of serving times and commercialty in the marketplace of overseas stallions to deal with but if you find the select few mares that deal with these problems it can be commercially viable.
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I do agree with that Shiner. The amount isn't the issue, and I do think, just in looking at sales results (and not having any idea of their type), that mares around the AUS$100k (+ the $20k shipping) are very well-performed mares with an international pedigree. Many of which have lines that have been successful in Australia.
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If you are looking for breeding to race, it is a good decision for buying very well-performed mares.
If you are looking for breeding to sell, it is not going to be a good decision.  The Aussie buyers are not going to pay good money for yearlings out of these mares.
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Originally posted by M.horse M.horse wrote:

If you are looking for breeding to race, it is a good decision for buying very well-performed mares.
If you are looking for breeding to sell, it is not going to be a good decision.  The Aussie buyers are not going to pay good money for yearlings out of these mares.
I think it is still dependent on the stallion. 2yr old sires are a no go but a well performed Irish mare in foal to High Chap would still give you a saleable item in Australia just not at the yearling sales.
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Originally posted by M.horse M.horse wrote:

If you are looking for breeding to race, it is a good decision for buying very well-performed mares.
If you are looking for breeding to sell, it is not going to be a good decision.  The Aussie buyers are not going to pay good money for yearlings out of these mares.

My intention would be both - keep the fillies I breed from the mares and race, but sell the colts.

What would be the reason progeny from OS mares would be considered not commercial - if their page was commercial? Unproven in our conditions?

If you worked off mares from stallions proven in Oz, such as More Than Ready for example - in terms of early runners, and perhaps for progeny out of mares from by; say Sadler's Wells, Woodman, Rahy, Street Cry - just for example, and offer those at the NZB Yearling Sales, you think this approach wouldn't add up?


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Commercial depends entirely on the pedigree (and sales depend on the subsequent type that you produce).  Where the mare is born and raced is of no relevance - although it does help if the mare is 'familiar' to buyers.  Be that her sire, or her family. 

Decent race performance costs big regardless of where the mare is from, and if you get a yearling of decent type, then it sells well too.

Go back through old Easter and MM Premier catalogues to get an idea of what gets into those sales (particularly re international mares), and remember that the new CEO of MM has a fondness for USA mares, so that might give you an edge in getting into their catalogues in the future (or not, who knows really)...
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Thanks for the input guys.

Reng your post makes a lot of sense.

Cheers all.
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Currently I do believe you can pick up a very nice filly for what would appear to be a small amount, especially in America the way things currently stand with their industry. When the majority of major farms and agents are represented over there, you can be pretty confident it's a good time to buy. That's the way I see it anyway.
 
The key to buying over there is to really concentrate on the pedigrees you buy. You could find the most attrative mare, with black type scattered all over the page and pick her up for next to nothing, but it needs to be the right black type. Gaining black type is pretty easy over there, so you need to find mares and families with proven black type form at the major tracks.
 
The style of the pedigree is important too, I find the mares who do well here after being shipped from America are the mares with a European element to their pedigree. A totally American pedigree is a negative in my book.
 
Why not take an alternative approach a buy an overseas filly in training? The market isn't usually as strong and if you get a filly who can come to Australia and win a couple for you, you've not only then paid off much of the outlay, but you also have a decent mare with not only a European pedigree, but also some Australian race form.
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if you want to import a mare it would make sense to get one in foal to a stallion like  Pivotal where there aren't many offspring in Australia.
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Valid alternatives. 

EIS, I hadn't given much thought to fillies in training. This is an option worth looking in to.
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AUSTRALIA
South Australian Derby 
(GR 1)
MORPHETTVILLE
2500 METRES
3YO
2018-05-12
TURF,GOOD
Margins- 1 1/2 lengths, 1/2 length,


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AJC Australian Oaks 
(GR 1)
RANDWICK
2400 METRES
3YO FILLIES
2018-04-14
TURF,GOOD
Margins- 1 length, 2 1/4 lengths,


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Oakleigh Plate 
(GR 1)
CAULFIELD
1100 METRES
2YO+
2018-02-24
TURF,GOOD
Margins- head, short head,


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Only 3 imported mares produced group 1 winner this season so far but by gee by gingo by crikey far too many of our group 1 races where won by imported horses.




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Love a Galileo mare!
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Always remember that Black Type is not the same everywhere.  At one point in the US, a race had black type status if it had prizemoney of $100k which is the equivalent of a Sydney Saturday race.
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