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    Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 11:24am
How good is this mare as a broodmare. Raced Australia, to stud in Australia 2 foals 2 raced 1 winner Valdamoro, placed G1 VRC Oaks,etc. exported to Ireland 3 foals 3 raced 2 winners Highland Reel and Idaho, both SW's, both by Galileo and a Galileo filly to come. Continuing the Elvstroem, Haradasun, etc family. Interesting to see if the Irish will dabble with Elvstroem now he is in France.
As an aside, the Galileo x Danehill appears to be working, what about the Danehill x Galileo, especially if the Irish use their Galileo mares with their Danehill line stallions.
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Thank christ she was sent to Europe. Her progeny would have been butchered down here as we saw with Valdemoro


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It really still doesn't make sense djebel why this family can't win at the moment here.  I just don't know why when obviously they are star stayers and we sadly lack great depth in that field.  And don't bring out the old chestnut that we should run them as two year olds.  Both these colts raced as two year olds.  Highland Reel started in June which is relatively early for Europe and won a G2 by 2 1/4 lengths in the July of his 2yo season.  He's travelled to the other side of the world and back and still is a top G1 quality horse.


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Makybe Diva should have been sent to Europe for her breeding career.

Freak of a horse that over came the obstacle of being trained by Australians to be a Superstar over a variety if trips. She has the type of pedigree that should have excelled as a broodmare.




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The owner of MD should send her to Ireland and Galileo and have progeny trained in UK. I'll bet they star over there. What do forumites think?
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Andrew Eddy
August 3, 2007

IT IS easy to understand Frank Tagg's relaxed mood on the eve of Haradasun's return to racing tomorrow. Syndicate manager of a relatively small-time breeding operation, Tagg and his partners have found themselves in the position of which every breeder dreams. No matter what happens, they can't lose. No matter what happens, they are millionaires many times over.

But there's even more to come for the lucky owners of the super broodmare Circles Of Gold. Haradasun's breeders — Tagg, his wife Sally, Garry and Leone Moffitt and Frank and Marie Meduri, who race their horses in the now-familiar colours of yellow, red diamond band, white sleeves, red diamond armbands and cap — made a tidy and undisclosed profit of many millions of dollars by selling a majority share of their international winner Elvstroem to Blue Gum Farm stud in Victoria. In the past month, they were paid something in the vicinity of $22 million for a half-share of Elvstoem's half-brother, Haradasun.

So that's still a half-share in the horse that could win any number of millions of dollars in the next 15 months throughout the world on the racetrack, and then potentially hundreds of millions as a headline stallion at Coolmore Stud in the Hunter Valley in NSW and either of the Coolmore northern hemisphere farms, in the US and Ireland.

There's still more. Elvstroem and Haradasun, who both have won millions on the track, are the most recognisable horses out of the mare Circles Of Gold, an AJC Oaks winner who Tagg and his partners bought as a yearling in 1993 for what now seems one of the great bargains of all time at $50,000. But most of their siblings, by association, are also incredibly valuable.

Circles Of Gold has had seven named foals. The first was a 1998 Octagonal gelding, Gold Rush, who had five placings from eight starts. The following year, Circles Of Gold went to Ascot Knight and the subsequent filly was Lady Circles, who was placed twice from eight starts. She is still owned by her breeders and has produced a Royal Academy colt as well as a Red Ransom colt, who is to be sold at the Sydney Easter sales next year, and is in foal to Encosta De Lago.

In 2000, after a mating with Danehill, Circles Of Gold produced the Caulfield Cup winner Elvstroem and the following year a Danehill filly, Hveger, whose value is being realised as a well-related broodmare, rather than as a racehorse. Hveger won one race from 13 starts but now has an Encosta De Lago yearling filly and is in foal to Fusaichi Pegasus, meaning the foal will be a three-quarter sibling of Haradasun.

The 2002 colt by Danehill is Gold Centre, who was sold as a yearling for $400,000 and since has been sold to stand at Newmarket Lodge Stud in New Zealand. His 2003 half-brother, by Fusaichi Pegasus, is Haradasun.

Then comes a horse named Coubertin, who has just turned two. Coubertin is by Redoute's Choice, and it is judged that if he never sees a racetrack, he will still be syndicated to an Australasian stud for several million dollars simply on the deeds of his siblings, dam and record-breaking sire. That would make it four stallion sons of Circles Of Gold with a genuine possibility of more to come. Early reports from the horse breakers are that Coubertin shows more potential than either Elvstroem or Haradasun at the same age. "It's hard to believe," Tagg said, with understatement.

Circles Of Gold is soon to foal again to Redoute's Choice and, as a 1991 mare, is expected to have at least four more foals before she retires. At worst, all future foals will go for more than $1 million at the sales. At best, meaning that if Haradasun or Coubertin or any of the future siblings further the family legend on the racetrack or in the breeding barn in coming seasons, there could be no counting the money the syndicate could make.

"I am feeling quite relaxed, really," Tagg said this week when asked of his nerves before Haradasun's first-up run at Caulfield tomorrow. "He's found a great home with Coolmore and I can't tell you how much pressure that has taken off the rest of us. It's a relief, I suppose, that we know that he's going to be in the right hands and so with that behind us, we're all relaxed and pretty cool."

As cool as they may be, the spring is going to offer the breeder-owners a ride few other owners have ever taken. Tagg admits that thoughts of "what if" enter his mind regularly. "What if he wins the Cox Plate? We've got a plan for him to race overseas next year if he does that. If not, then that's racing," Tagg said. For, while Haradasun's best form will lead to him tackling races in 2008 in Dubai, England, France and at the Breeders' Cup meeting in the US, a lack of form will still leave him as next season's most-sought-after young stallion.

Tagg confirmed he and his partners had knocked back a much larger offer (believed to be about $60 million from Darley) than the eventual $22 million Coolmore paid for a half share. The reason was simple. "We love racing our horses and the other offer would have seen Haradasun go straight to stud," Tagg said. "But with Coolmore, we are going to continue to race him on as a four-year-old and even maybe a five-year-old.

"After Elvstroem went to stud, I felt there was an empty hole of some sorts because Tony (Vasil, the trainer) had said Elvstroem would have been a super horse at five years of age but we never got to see how good. So we didn't want to go through the same thing with this horse. We'll enjoy every minute of his racing career in the knowledge his future is secure."

Circles Of Gold is 16 years old and while Australasia's greatest sire, Redoute's Choice, is an easy match for her, Tagg said it was not certain she would return to him after she produced his foal later this month.

"When she had Coubertin, he weighed 68 kilograms (the average foal weight is 51 kilograms) and it did quite a bit of damage to her uterus, which meant she could not get into foal the next year," Tagg said. "If she has another big foal by Redoute's, then we'd probably look for another stallion."

That other stallion is yet to be determined but what has been is that all her future foals will be highly sought-after as other breeders attempt to tap into the goldmine that is Circles Of Gold.

Meanwhile, Tagg and his partners are enjoying developing the Circles Of Gold dynasty. "We never ever take for granted how blessed we have been. It's beyond our wildest dreams," he said.





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