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Residents described how the foam-filled cladding “went up like matchsticks” as the blaze spread.

Similar cladding now covers homes and offices across Britain and indeed many countries across the world, including Australia.

Association of Specialist Fire Protection spokesman Andrew Tarling called the Grenfell disaster “an accident waiting to happen”.

“They clad the concrete of this building with flammable insulation panels and rain screen cladding with a 30mm gap, which acted like a chimney,” he told The Sun.

“All the burning material falls down, starting more fires below, and the flames spread up and across searching for oxygen.

“Meanwhile, crews can’t tackle the fire effectively because their water just bounces off the rain covers.

“The cladding looks lovely, it’s cheap, complies with regulations and gives the building a high environmental rating. But it’s a silent killer.

“When this block was built, it complied with the old fire regulations. Had it been left alone it would never have burned like this.”

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/boss-of-company-which-installed-highly-flammable-grenfell-tower-cladding-did-not-know-what-material-was-used/news-story/e87bade91c71f8e173e39f3e38e2dd0b

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If I ever have to live above the 4th floor I'm getting one of these.


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Sam Webb, the architect who investigated the Lakanal fire and who sits on the All Party Parliamentary Fire Safety & Rescue Group, said "This tragedy was entirely predictable, sadly."[Webb also said, "I really don't think the building industry understands how fire behaves in buildings and how dangerous it can be. The government's mania for deregulation means our current safety standards just aren't good enough.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire#Grenfell_Tower




Red tape, regulations nanny-state blah blah blah. Let's go back to 1870 where there weren't all these entrepeneur crushing regulations. The market will decide what's safe.Thumbs Up
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a standard living room can go to 'flash over' (everything is consumed by fire basically) . frightenly quick.

the bradford city soccer grandstand fire is an example of how fast a fire can spread given the right conditions and fuel. that was another tragic fire in the uk. their is video footage of it.

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We used to get shown a video once a year, of a staged flash over, during our fire fighting class, and OMG it was terrible.  Fire really scares me, and every time we had to sit thru that vid I felt physically sick.
Then I would go off to Sydney or some other show, and be camped in a pavilion full of horses, hay,straw, shavings, etc and idiots would be sitting in there drinking and smoking.  I would end up reporting them. I couldnt help myself, I was just so afraid of what might happen.
This could easily happen here according to some fire experts.  I saw a bloke on TV last night saying the same type of stuff used on that building has been used on a lot of buildings here in Ozz. 
Those poor poor people.  A most terrible thing.

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A report of two children from the 20th floor in hospital.  One in a coma.  So does that mean the firemen bought them out or they got down incredibly fast from the top floors?  Also the poor man rescued in the morning (he'd been hanging out of his window for ages) so may be some more good stories.  Maybe some of the rooms themselves held the fire at bay.  Here's hoping anyway.  All told I don't think even the survivers will have it easy though.  That is an incredible amount of pain and fear to go through.
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I hear you AA. I had a job many moons ago at a timber yard. Just prior to my employment there'd been a big fire that destroyed the area I worked in. When I started working there I was told not to let anyone smoke in the building and to politely ask customers to comply. This was necessary to retain insurance coverage let alone the obvious risk. A cigarette butt had been found to be the cause of the previous fire.
 
Nobody ever complied including staff. Instead they complained about the guy asking them not to smoke and he got the sack. The business went broke and shut down a year later.
 
People can be very complacent when it comes to fire risk.  
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A friend of ours is with the local fire brigade.   At the weekend he attended a fire at local chook sheds.  
4 sheds , each with 1800 poor bloody chooks in cages, under lights so they think its day time 24/7.    One of the lights sparked and it dropped to the gelati at the bottom of the shed, and it went up just like that tower in London.  In a matter of minutes 1800 chooks died, no hope of escape.  They managed to save the other 3 sheds.  
Buy free range eggs and get rid of these disgusting sheds.
Horse shows and fire risk is horrendous.   So much flammable material.  At the end of the day every one gets on the piss.  No one sees the risk. 
I can just imagine what it was like, 3 Bears.    For every one sensible responsible smoker there are 10 rat bags .   And they wont be told ,  dont do it , for safety reasons.  

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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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On top of the devastation for all those who lived,  and died, in the tower, what about people in the surrounding area covered by the toxic ash and smoke ?
They will no doubt be affected badly for years to come.  Along with firies, police and ambos.  I wonder if any lessons at all, regards treatment/health etc has been learned from 9/11 ?
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Kensington is a weird suburb- super posh one end, poor at the other. And the reason they put the totally unnecessary fireball cladding on was so that the view of the poor folks building did not offend the eyes of the rich folks.
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As I said on another thread it will takes billions of dollars to replace this cladding in this country let alone everywhere else in the world. And the question of who pays for it will be messy. Perhaps it would be cheaper to make sure all buildings have a state of the art sprinkler system ?

Just shows you why we brought in strict building regulations in the first place and how idiotic it was to start relaxing them!
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Anyone seeing all those people dead in a bushfire in Portugal ?
Over 50 and counting, as well as livestock.
Burned in their cars as they tried to escape.
The horror just never stops.
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Watching Media Watch,  Miranda Devine claims the fire was the fault of The Greens, Rowan Dean says the fault lies with the climate change lobby.
Is there any lower that these RWNJ can sink,  throwing out ridiculous  lies, no evidence but knowing mud sticks , any opportunity to bash those they disagree with, sick.  

 And while I am at it, Has Andrew Bolt EVER written a positive article about ANYTHING, for as long as I have been glancing at his tripe he has only sl*gged of at his hated targets , completely obsessed, never writes an optimistic article about any topic on the face of the earth
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Watching Media Watch,  Miranda Devine claims the fire was the fault of The Greens, Rowan Dean says the fault lies with the climate change lobby.
Is there any lower that these RWNJ can sink,  throwing out ridiculous  lies, no evidence but knowing mud sticks , any opportunity to bash those they disagree with, sick.  

 And while I am at it, Has Andrew Bolt EVER written a positive article about ANYTHING, for as long as I have been glancing at his tripe he has only sl*gged of at his hated targets , completely obsessed, never writes an optimistic article about any topic on the face of the earth


He is a commentator Whale .     Says it, as it is and has even bagged Benardi as he stated tonight. Is actually a Labor man & has never voted LNP.
He speaks well of Rowan Dean , Peta Credlin , Paul Murray & maccamax.
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See now there are people being charged for claiming to be victims of the fire, when they actually lived miles away.   One bloke claimed to have lost a wife and son,,,which he never had, and lived 25 miles away from the fire.
no matter what happens there are always Christmas puddings looking to cash in on other people,s misfortune. 
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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Interesting read, thanks, learnt something new again.
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Petrol bombs strapped on to tens of thousands of apartments and office blocks all over the Clever Country- brilliant.Clap
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Australian high-rises swathed in flammable cladding despite suppliers knowing of risks

Anne Davies, Debbie Whitmont and Patricia Drum
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-04/australian-high-rises-swathed-in-flammable-cladding/8862784
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Petrol bombs strapped on to tens of thousands of apartments and office blocks all over the Clever Country- brilliant.Clap

Greenies responsible.Wacko
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Watching Media Watch,  Miranda Devine claims the fire was the fault of The Greens, Rowan Dean says the fault lies with the climate change lobby.
Is there any lower that these RWNJ can sink,  throwing out ridiculous  lies, no evidence but knowing mud sticks , any opportunity to bash those they disagree with, sick.  

 And while I am at it, Has Andrew Bolt EVER written a positive article about ANYTHING, for as long as I have been glancing at his tripe he has only sl*gged of at his hated targets , completely obsessed, never writes an optimistic article about any topic on the face of the earth


He is a commentator Whale .     Says it, as it is and has even bagged Benardi as he stated tonight. Is actually a Labor man & has never voted LNP.
He speaks well of Rowan Dean , Peta Credlin , Paul Murray & maccamax.


That's got be BULLS!T.LOL Does he say that? Who the hell does he vote for then- Reclaim Australia?
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this is the type of bloke he is, a real nutcase reactionary cup cake

http://junkee.com/sky-news-rowan-dean-tim-soutphommasane/112047


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What practical function do these panels serve ? Decoration ? I just hear on ABC news that the Princess Alexandra Hospital in Brisbane will be having all panels removed, as they have tested as dangerously flammable. Amazing how this stuff ever came into widespread use. I queried an engineer about that, and he could offer little more than a shrug of the shoulders.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

What practical function do these panels serve ? Decoration ? I just hear on ABC news that the Princess Alexandra Hospital in Brisbane will be having all panels removed, as they have tested as dangerously flammable. Amazing how this stuff ever came into widespread use. I queried an engineer about that, and he could offer little more than a shrug of the shoulders.

Insulation and they look sharp.
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Aluminium burns with ferocious heat, once it gets going. The collapse of the Twin Towers has been attributed to the very high temperatures of the burning aluminium planes, weakening the steel columns. No wonder it is solid rocket fuel component. It takes tremendous (electrical) energy input to separate metallic aluminium from the oxide. When it re-oxidises in combustion, that energy is returned.
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