Join up at Crownbet - Click here - Crownbet is Thoroughbred Village’s premier betting partner - Join here now
Forum Home Forum Home > Horse Racing - Public Forums > Racing Forum
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Henry Dwyer
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Click here for the Thoroughbred Village Home Page. For village news, follow @TBVillage on Twitter. For horseracing tips, follow @Villagebet on Twitter. To contact the Mayor by email: Click Here.

Henry Dwyer - Event Date: 26 Jun 2018 - 26 Jun 2019

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Calendar Event: Henry Dwyer
    Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 8:43pm
Has anyone noticed how bad the Henry Dwyer stable is going at the moment?.

Since the 5/5/2018, the day his stable representative got caught with tubing equipment at Morphettville, he has had 103 runners for 7 winners, obviously that's less than 7% winners to runners. Racing Victoria has his career stats at 14% and his last 50 starters at 4%. Not sure what conclusion to draw from this?.
Back to Top
Sponsored Links
Click here to view the promotions at Crownbet.


Back to Top
anabel View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 29 Mar 2012
Location: VIC
Status: Offline
Points: 1190
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote anabel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 8:57pm
Seems to be losing a few horses to other trainers too.
Back to Top
Sir Gov View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 1980
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sir Gov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 9:07pm
Very ordinary stats to say the least!
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 9:25pm
It's hard not to think the Morphettville incident has played a major role in these figures.
Back to Top
Smoke and Mirrors View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 10 Sep 2016
Location: Smythesdale
Status: Offline
Points: 1104
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Smoke and Mirrors Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 9:45pm
Caulfield is cursed. Wouldn’t have my horse trained there full stop ✋
"Go Hard or Go Home, you're at the 'bool"
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 9:50pm
Did Dwyer ever work for Aquanita?
Back to Top
Smoke and Mirrors View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 10 Sep 2016
Location: Smythesdale
Status: Offline
Points: 1104
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Smoke and Mirrors Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:06pm
Yeah I think he worked for Stuart webb
"Go Hard or Go Home, you're at the 'bool"
Back to Top
Sir Gov View Drop Down
Champion
Champion
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 1980
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sir Gov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:08pm
#Neerim Lodge
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:22pm
Easy to assume he's been around the very best of the best then.
Back to Top
monty1 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 30 May 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 416
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote monty1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by Discohips23 Discohips23 wrote:

Easy to assume he's been around the very best of the best then.
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 6159
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:28pm
For crying out loud, there’s only one thing one can think! Not so hot without the funnel, like the rest of the Aquachearer outfit.
to the victor
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:36pm
Well without a bout of Equine Influenza, the Hendra Virus, or a stable fire that has decimated his numbers, it seems that way. Very interested to know where the SA Stewards are at with it?
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 6159
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by Discohips23 Discohips23 wrote:

Well without a bout of Equine Influenza, the Hendra Virus, or a stable fire that has decimated his numbers, it seems that way. Very interested to know where the SA Stewards are at with it?


Head in the sand? 4 years as foreman for Smerdon must have rubbed off.
to the victor
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 10:54pm
Suppose we will have to wait and see. He's obviously left the funnel & hose at home since May!
Back to Top
adolphus twirk View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 1144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote adolphus twirk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2018 at 11:17pm
Statistics are shocking and dropped alarmingly since Adelaide. If a horse cannot win once in every ten starts which is about one and a half preps it is running at s huge loss to the owners. Extrapolating these stats a winner rate of 4 to 7 % is poison.   
Back to Top
3blindmice View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 22 Oct 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 17462
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3blindmice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 12:13am
Doesn't look good but there are many reasons why small stables especially might have runs of outs. Heathcote's not small but he's not having a great run of late. John Thompson also seems to have been off the boil lately. Probably plenty more. I've been waiting to see how the Currie stable goes but I doubt Qld is as actively vigilant as other jurisdictions. 
Back to Top
monty1 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 30 May 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 416
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote monty1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 12:29am
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Doesn't look good but there are many reasons why small stables especially might have runs of outs. Heathcote's not small but he's not having a great run of late. John Thompson also seems to have been off the boil lately. Probably plenty more. I've been waiting to see how the Currie stable goes but I doubt Qld is as actively vigilant as other jurisdictions. 

I wouldn’t say his stable his small, have you looked at the horses on his books, small to me is around the 20-30 mark.
Back to Top
monty1 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 30 May 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 416
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote monty1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 12:34am
I did notice that he got a lot of the head of the Aquacheaters horses. They really like to keep them in the same fold don’t they. He got a lot as did Sadler.
Interesting to see Smerdons Mrs at the races at Flemington last Saturday on the Nature Strip winning group, she obviously has no shame.
Back to Top
3blindmice View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 22 Oct 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 17462
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3blindmice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 1:14am
Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Doesn't look good but there are many reasons why small stables especially might have runs of outs. Heathcote's not small but he's not having a great run of late. John Thompson also seems to have been off the boil lately. Probably plenty more. I've been waiting to see how the Currie stable goes but I doubt Qld is as actively vigilant as other jurisdictions. 

I wouldn’t say his stable his small, have you looked at the horses on his books, small to me is around the 20-30 mark.

No and even looking at his website didn't help because I don't know many of those listed. The point is not numbers on books it's how many are in training and how many of those are capable of winning races. Any ideas?
Back to Top
Campaspe View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 30 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 1445
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Campaspe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 9:31am
Based on stable returns on the trainer portal, 137 including 16 unnmaed, 36 spelling.
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 9:52am
Originally posted by Campaspe Campaspe wrote:

Based on stable returns on the trainer portal, 137 including 16 unnmaed, 36 spelling.


Yeah. Hardly a small trainer
Back to Top
3blindmice View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 22 Oct 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 17462
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3blindmice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 10:17am
So about 100 in training at various stages of their preps.

Which of those should have been winning based on form (supposedly assisted) since the reveal?
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 6159
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 10:17am
Stables ebb and flow - and often ebb after a stable rep is caught tubing raceday.
Stewards have to ok any transfers of horses from the disqualified parties and to leave them with the rest of Aquanita is laughable. Are we expecting some slow down from Shea Eden now too?
to the victor
Back to Top
3blindmice View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 22 Oct 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 17462
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 3blindmice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 10:31am
Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Stables ebb and flow - and often ebb after a stable rep is caught tubing raceday.
Stewards have to ok any transfers of horses from the disqualified parties and to leave them with the rest of Aquanita is laughable. Are we expecting some slow down from Shea Eden now too?

Sounds entirely reasonable. How often? Any stats to back it up or casual observations? 

What I want to know is this. How is it that NSW could/would go to the extreme of charging Cody Morgan (for a similar infraction from memory) with race fixing while others eg Brian Sylvia have faced lesser charges? Will Smerdon et al face race fixing charges? Unlikely. If not why not? Obviously the Morgan case hasn't had the required impact on prospective TCO2 cheats.
Back to Top
SHOVHOG View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 20 Apr 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 940
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote SHOVHOG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 10:42am
Bjorn Baker knows all about ebbs and flows.
" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 6159
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 11:09am
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Stables ebb and flow - and often ebb after a stable rep is caught tubing raceday.
Stewards have to ok any transfers of horses from the disqualified parties and to leave them with the rest of Aquanita is laughable. Are we expecting some slow down from Shea Eden now too?


Sounds entirely reasonable. How often? Any stats to back it up or casual observations? 

What I want to know is this. How is it that NSW could/would go to the extreme of charging Cody Morgan (for a similar infraction from memory) with race fixing while others eg Brian Sylvia have faced lesser charges? Will Smerdon et al face race fixing charges? Unlikely. If not why not? Obviously the Morgan case hasn't had the required impact on prospective TCO2 cheats.


Casual observation. These cases often follow similar routines - smaller stables caught raceday, go quiet, then have a few winners before the disqualification begins to tide them over, get some on-camera commiserations from moron journalists about how hard done by they are. Or big stables go quiet, find some excuse as to why it happened, get fined, keep going.

I think the only reason Morgan was charged is because police had the phone taps, and he got off so lightly that it’s hardly a deterrent. It may be hard to successfully prosecute such cases and racing authorities would prefer it was all swept under the carpet so as to not affect turnover and get more bad press.
to the victor
Back to Top
adolphus twirk View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 1144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote adolphus twirk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 7:25pm
Bottom line is that honest trainers and their owners are running second to cheats.
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by adolphus twirk adolphus twirk wrote:

Bottom line is that honest trainers and their owners are running second to cheats.
100% Correct
Back to Top
Discohips23 View Drop Down
Yearling
Yearling


Joined: 01 Mar 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 7:46pm
What I find hard to cop is how the common racing media give the cheats so much radio and tv time to promote their businesses. There are plenty of good stories out there that can be asked of trainers that don’t have a rap sheet a mile long. And to hear some racing media personalities talk about how disappointing it was not to have Smerdon show up to his hearing and defend his actions. How about forgetting the times you all partook in some “mutual media felatio” with him, jump in your car, drive up to his door and demand answers. They’d have no drama if it was a footballer or a cricketer and had to report it. Not sure if it’s true but I’ve heard that Four Corners are going to run a story about the industry. I sincerely hope for sake of all the hard working, honest trainers and participants out there, something good comes from it.
Back to Top
linghi11 View Drop Down
Champion
Champion


Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 6159
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote linghi11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2018 at 8:06pm
That story is out 12th of July I believe.
to the victor
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.