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    Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 5:32pm
Just noticed this first year stallion the other day. He looks good value at 6600k. Dont much about him but he he has won 2 million . Whats the thoughts on this guy.
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He is a very classy stayer.  Finished 7th in Epsom Derby and won HK Derby.
Where is he standing?
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Another HK super star, Floral Pegasus has won over A$3.3 million.  I think he is better than Helene Mascot. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VSP. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 1:41am
I think Helene Mascot will be standing at Crown Valley Lodge, Coldstream, Vic - alongside Masterpiece.
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He has got serious wind problem after winning the Derby.  Not sure if he will put it on his progeny.

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Originally posted by M.horse M.horse wrote:

He has got serious wind problem after winning the Derby.  Not sure if he will put it on his progeny.

If he got serious wind problems after being in training for 2 years and competing in two derbies including winning one of them I'm pretty sure it would be an enviromental fault not a genetic oneSmile
Horse breeding is like religion, if you don't really believe in what you are doing it is purely social
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I think it is too hard to say if it's environmental or genetic no matter how long they have been in training . I believe it is multifactorial and is often triggered by working a horse when it has a virus or cold .
If they have a genetic predisposition to roaring and other environmental factors come into play then it can come at any age IMHO .
Personally I would never send a mare out of a familly with some roaring history , to a stallion that had the condition .
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Ormonde was unbeaten as a racehorse, and in spite of developing a wind infirmity he included the English Triple Crown races among his victories.

Pocahontas passed on her roaring defect to at least three of her foals, and although her three famous sons  never made a sound, it's clear that Stockwell transmitted this trait to some of his offspring and descendants.


Just a few horses that were known to genetically throw roarers.  I don't think that it has impacted their success all that much.

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I personally wouldn't mind if one of my horses became a roarer AFTER winning a derby.
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Nor me. But I"ll get a roarer that cant race. Or win a race. Pass 4 me. Is the roarer true. If not he surrlybis great value.
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