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    Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 1:10pm
Looking at the pedigrees of the 2yos in the 2nd at Echuca I was staggered by how good the Pentire colts pedigree is.

It did not dawn on me that he is a full brother to Prince Of Penzance Smile

Perhaps if I had known that I would not have backed him.

The Prince won his first race as a March 3yo over 1300m so perhaps a July 2yo can win over 1100m ? #The extra 9 metres might come in handy.

And if the form guide is correct, He is still a colt, so he is automatically 6 lengths better. 

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Pentire (GB)
Bay 1992
Be My Guest
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
What a Treat
Bay or brown 1962
Tudor Minstrel
Brown 1944
Owen Tudor
Sansonnet
1938
1933
10-b
9-c
Rare Treat
Chestnut 1952
Stymie
Rare Perfume
1941
1947
1-h
8-c
Gull Nook
Bay 1983
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah
Lalun
1940
1952
9-c
19-b
Milan Mill
Bay 1962
Princequillo
Virginia Water
1940
1953
1-b
22-d
Bempton
Bay 1976
Blakeney
Bay 1966
Hethersett
Windmill Girl
1959
1961
21-a
20-c
Hardiemma
Bay 1969
Hardicanute
Grand Cross
1962
1952
3-j
1-l
Royal Successor (USA)
Bay 1999
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Grey 1950
Polynesian
Geisha
1942
1943
14-a
5-f
Raise You
Chestnut 1946
Case Ace
Lady Glory
1934
1934
1-k
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Bay 1952
Nasrullah
Segula
1940
1942
9-c
3-m
Sequence
Bay or brown 1946
Count Fleet
Miss Dogwood
1940
1939
6-a
13-c
Only Royale
Bay 1989
Caerleon
Bay 1980
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Foreseer
Bay or brown 1969
Round Table
Regal Gleam
1954
1964
2-f
1-s
Etoile de Paris
Bay 1977
Crowned Prince
Chestnut 1969
Raise a Native
Gay Hostess
1961
1957
8-f
4-d
Place d'Etoile
Bay 1967
Kythnos
Etoile de France
1957
1957
1-i
9-e
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer3m x 5m Native Dancer5f x 4m Nasrullah5m x 5m 
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Just heard the trainer on TV, will be a nice 1600 horse. He also said "Will make a nice gelding"
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news djebel
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Lovely debut - hit the line hard.
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Henry thinks he will have one more this prep, 1400m Listed 2yo race in Adelaide on July 22
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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Just heard the trainer on TV, will be a nice 1600 horse. He also said "Will make a nice gelding"
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news djebel


Who owns the horse ?

Hopefully they tell the trainer to kiss off.


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This horse has his 2nd start today at Morphetville in the Listed Oaklands Plate over 1400m.


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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

This horse has his 2nd start today at Morphetville in the Listed Oaklands Plate over 1400m.



Thanks for reminding me.




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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Just heard the trainer on TV, will be a nice 1600 horse. He also said "Will make a nice gelding"
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news djebel

I guess after yesterday the trainer will be arguing for the most overrated cut of all.




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It's a Pentire problem, time after time.
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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Just heard the trainer on TV, will be a nice 1600 horse. He also said "Will make a nice gelding"
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news djebel


I see the kissheads have gone through with it.

These d1ckheads are not fair dinkum trainers they are pussies.



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PoPs brother about to run at Sale
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Excellent run
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He’s been entered and scratched on race day quite a few times over the last month.

Scratched again from Pakenham today.

Hopefully it’s just a case of being patient in selecting the right race and not any injury niggles.
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sweethearts gelded him for no reason. They deserve whatever lack of success they get.



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Broke his maiden over 1600m at Hamilton
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At last hey!

What a waste.


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How did Kansas City go ?

At least she can not be gelded.



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Got back and stayed back in the heavy ground. She looked like she got bogged.
Finished 7th beaten 7
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He was a horrible colt by all accounts. We'll see the best of him gelded.
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This is just a question djebel, and feel free to start a thread on this.

If you had a royally bred horse (which you had brought, not bred), would you geld the horse if he was not putting in his best effort?

If I am buying a horse from a sale, or a breeder to race, then I think as the owner I would do everything to get the best out of the race career. Having said that the race career might be a few years at most, compared to a breeding career of a decade or more.

There are a lot of variables which would go into this issue, but I am interested to know your reasoning why gelding well bred gallopers, who are not racing at their best should not happen.
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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I see he won again yesterday at the Sunny Coast
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Was very unimpressive. Had my finger on the trigger to take $101 in the Derby and very quickly worked out he won't be doing any damage in this QLD Derby.
Sunline...simply supreme
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Agreed.

I’ve been backing Heavenly Thought since I saw him at Warrnambool.
Continues to impress me. Ride won him the race on Sat
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The extra 600 will obviously help but this is looking a pretty good Derby. 




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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

This is just a question djebel, and feel free to start a thread on this.

If you had a royally bred horse (which you had brought, not bred), would you geld the horse if he was not putting in his best effort?

If I am buying a horse from a sale, or a breeder to race, then I think as the owner I would do everything to get the best out of the race career. Having said that the race career might be a few years at most, compared to a breeding career of a decade or more.

There are a lot of variables which would go into this issue, but I am interested to know your reasoning why gelding well bred gallopers, who are not racing at their best should not happen.

Sorry, I did not ignore this question I am just seeing it for the first time now.

I think too often horses seem to me to be gelded before they are tried over their proper journey and or before they are matured.

Tommy Smith and Kingston Town are the legendary example, His owner David Hains has been quoted as saying he regrets not giving Kingston Town more time before gelding him.

There could be any number of reasons horses are perceived not to be putting in. 

Trainers have a vested interest in colts being gelded. I would be getting a 15th opinion before gelding.






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Good to see the little bro win a city race
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