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Do people still talk about Global Warming and actually stay awake ..... Smile
 
 
 
Blackouts in NSW were there ??
 
There was nothing much about it in the news ..... or were they supposed to read this thread Wink
 
 
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Investors are not nervous because of doubts over Climate Change but from politicians and their special interests interfering with the market

Do you mean Wind Turbines? In that case yes. Big smile

Precisely ... Victoria triples the royalty gouge on coal, and lo and behold, Hazelwood becomes uneconomical ... who'd have thought!!! 

... wind mills are subsidised to guarantee investment returns and lo and behold, there are people lining up to invest in them ... really???

Why are we paying more to have 3rd World Energy delivery? 

... and how much did we spend on Desalination Plants, that won't work in a drought in SA, since there is no wind to create energy?

... how green are the electricity generators, that the SA government has told all businesses to invest in? ... I assume that they are wind powered ... no? 

Then what is the real point? Dead

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Whether you believe in the science it or not, the market will decide what happens, and at the moment the market is saying renewables. At worst you will get air your grandchildren can breathe.  

And here it is folks!

The very first honest statement from the Global Warming Industry.

It's not actually about Global Warming or Climate Change ... it's about POLLUTION ... so why didn't you just say so?Wink
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

For those interested in the above please note their are 262 very informative pages in our own TBV " Climate Change - Global Warning" thread. To be fair....206 pages belong to 3BM...& another 32 the combined efforts of the Judge , Subby & Browndog / Passing Through. Some magnificent critical counter attack is seen from Hollywood , Hatch & in more recent times Dr E . I am currently transitioning it to a YouTube video.
I have suggested, on more than one occasion, that we print it off & put into a time capsule....with the above mentioned video.....for opening in 2050. Unfortunately it was agreed this would be a fruitless activity... as those interested would either have died of natural causes OR burnt to a cinder or drowned... whichever came first !

Just saw this 1x1 ... PRICELESS!LOL (I'll be around ... I just invested in silver!Wink)

Seems that you have done far more "research" than any of the media has ever bothered with on the subject!Clap
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As with most things the answer lays in the middle. Yep, get rid of dirty power and clean up the world but do it in a sensible manner.

It doesn't matter if climate change is real or not. Just clean up the joint
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Whether you believe in the science it or not, the market will decide what happens, and at the moment the market is saying renewables. At worst you will get air your grandchildren can breathe.  

And here it is folks!

The very first honest statement from the Global Warming Industry.

It's not actually about Global Warming or Climate Change ... it's about POLLUTION ... so why didn't you just say so?Wink

If you go right back 5 or 6 years to the start of the other threads on this topic, you will find my view on not having a firm view but allowing the market to actually work, unfettered by faux capitalist right wingnut coal industry owned govts, the whole thing will work itself out. I haven't changed my view.
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How are you going to tell the chinese?, the biggest polluters in the world.
Do you think they will take any notice?
Or is it it keep calm and carry onLOL
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'Clean coal' cheaper than renewable energy to lower emissions, lobby group claims

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If we can hang on to the technology, Aus can sell to the chinese!

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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

How are you going to tell the chinese?, the biggest polluters in the world.
Do you think they will take any notice?
Or is it it keep calm and carry onLOL

The market will sort them out as with India
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/clean-coal-cheaper-than-renewable-energy-says-lobby-group/8288620

'Clean coal' cheaper than renewable energy to lower emissions, lobby group claims

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By political reporter Tom Iggulden

Updated 58 minutes ago

If we can hang on to the technology, Aus can sell to the chinese!


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Why new coal? Solar towers + storage beats it on all counts

By Giles Parkinson on 21 February 2017
 

The US-based developers of the world’s leading solar tower and storage technologies has expressed surprise that Australia’s federal government is pursuing “new coal” plants, saying that solar towers with storage beats coal on just about all fronts.

Tom Georgis, the head of international development for SolarReserve, says solar towers and storage can match and beat coal on capability – providing baseload and flexible generation – and match new coal on cost, and provide zero emissions output as a bonus.

“This is just not a direction that financial markets are heading in,” Georgis told RenewEconomy in an interview on Tuesday, during a visit to Australia, where the company is hoping to build a $700 million, 110MW solar tower and storage facility in Port Augusta, and in other states too.

“In our opinion it is almost backward looking,” Georgis said, adding that carbon capture and storage in electricity generation is unproven and not cost-effective, and coal generation needs to take account of the impact of mining, and of emissions.

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The Australian energy industry, including fossil fuel generators, have reacted to the Coalition’s push for new coal plants with a mixture of surprise and disbelief, saying any such plant is “uninvestable”.

Bloomberg New Energy Finance has estimated costs at between $138/MWh and more than $200/MWh, and significantly higher with CCS. It and others say estimate emissions reductions are grossly over-estimated.

SolarReserve says its own technology costs are “well under ” coal, even without CCS. It has been coy about its costs in Australia, having never built a plant here before, although CEFC executive director Simon Brooker told a Senate inquiry this month that a cost of around $150/MWh was being talked about for a first of its kind plant. Costs would then fall quickly as others are built.

SolarReserve is believed to be participating in a South Australian government tender for 75 per cent of its electricity needs, competing mostly with new gas stations and existing mothballed ones. It has talked with both the CEFC and ARENA.

Interestingly, Engie, the owner of the mothballed Pelican Point gas station near Adelaide considered to be its biggest rival in the tender, reportedly told the same inquiry on Monday that running the generator would not be economic, even with a government contract, because of the cost and availability of gas.

This may have prompted S.A. energy minister Tom Koutsantonis to say some positive things about solar towers and storage last week. Both the federal Coalition and Labor have promised to help promote solar towers, but have done nothing since the election.

Georgis says SolarReserve has already beaten gas generators on price in a tender in Chile last year, and is confident it can beat new gas generation in Australia too. Its main issue lies in the length of a contract, which will be crucial in its ability to secure finance.

Georgis again underlined the capability of solar towers and storage, and its ability to provide baseload power, power on demand, bulk storage, and use its steam turbines to provide the ancillary services normally delivered by fossil fuel generation.

He says battery storage will make sense for short-period needs, and as a cheaper option to network upgrades and for accompanying solar in distributed generation, but battery storage could not deliver or compete on price for bulk storage.

Pumped hydro was also unlikely to provide a “baseload” option, and was reliant on arbitrage opportunities (pumping water up hill while prices were low, and generating power when prices were high) to make it economic. Solar towers, on the other hand, had zero fuel costs.

SolarReserve has been operating its Crescent Dunes plant in Nevada – its first – for more than a year and the 100MW facility is delivering power to Las Vegas between the hours of noon and midnight. Its 1,100MWh of storage in that one plant is more than all the battery storage capacity in the US.

It is building a similar-sized facility, Redstone, in South Africa, and is bidding in a tender this year in that country to provide peaking power. About three 150MW solar tower facilities, with storage, are expected to be mandated.

In Chile, where the huge solar resources and resulting increased output pushes costs well below $100/MWh, SolarReserve is bidding another four or 5 towers in an auction scheduled later this year, and in Dubai it will compete for an auction for two 100MW solar tower facilities.

In China, mandates for 1GW of solar tower pilot plants have been awarded and SolarReserve is negotiating to provide its technology and services. It already has an MOU with Shenhua, the world’s biggest coal generator, for 1,000MW of plants and China plans another 5GW of solar towers and storage in the next 5 years.

Morocco is currently building solar towers and storage, albeit with a competing technology, and is looking to tender for more as part of its ambitious renewable energy target.

“The conclusion is that for a lot of international tenders, you have got to have storage,” Georgis says. “This is a viable technology, and cost-effective. It has most of the performance characteristics that customers need – baseload power, peaking capabilities and transmission and grid stability and reliability.

In Australia, SolarReserve is also pursuing opportunities in other states, particularly those with high state-based renewable energy targets such as Queensland and Victoria, and those with high solar resources, such as Western Australia.

“We have always promoted that solar towers and storage can do all the above, firming and shaping, ancillary services, provide the power, peak or baseload, bulk storage and deliver zero emissions,” Georgis said.

“We are certainly much more cost-effective than the mis-named ‘clean coal’ technology.”

http://reneweconomy.com.au/why-new-coal-solar-towers-storage-beats-it-on-all-counts-16080/

 

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Do the Bloomberg estimates include the price of storage in renewables?
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PT, best you summarise that for The Doc and Muff.  Wink
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Whether you believe in the science it or not, the market will decide what happens, and at the moment the market is saying renewables. At worst you will get air your grandchildren can breathe.  

And here it is folks!

The very first honest statement from the Global Warming Industry.

It's not actually about Global Warming or Climate Change ... it's about POLLUTION ... so why didn't you just say so?Wink

If you go right back 5 or 6 years to the start of the other threads on this topic, you will find my view on not having a firm view but allowing the market to actually work, unfettered by faux capitalist right wingnut coal industry owned govts, the whole thing will work itself out. I haven't changed my view.

So you obviously condemn the government subsidies for renewable energy ... must have been in an early post.
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/clean-coal-cheaper-than-renewable-energy-says-lobby-group/8288620

'Clean coal' cheaper than renewable energy to lower emissions, lobby group claims

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By political reporter Tom Iggulden

Updated 58 minutes ago

If we can hang on to the technology, Aus can sell to the chinese!


Here is a helpful fact sheet I downloaded for you.Big smile
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:



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Ouch ... and then you ruin it with something like this.

What were the results for the other questions, like;

The ALP has committed to a road toll target of zero by 2030. Do you approve or disapprove of this policy? 

or

The ALP haz comited to a 110% matrikulation rayt for HSC Inglisch and Mafs students bye 31st Febyuery 20o3. Do you aprove or dissaprove of this polacy?

or

The ALP has committed to a target of doubling the cute kitty cat memes on facebook. Do you approve or disapprove of this policy?


Pleeez PT, save it for the true believers, they will NEVER get it ...Dead
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Of course 65% approve. Thats what happened last time around until people got hit in the hip pocket and threw labor out
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Whether you believe in the science it or not, the market will decide what happens, and at the moment the market is saying renewables. At worst you will get air your grandchildren can breathe.  

And here it is folks!

The very first honest statement from the Global Warming Industry.

It's not actually about Global Warming or Climate Change ... it's about POLLUTION ... so why didn't you just say so?Wink

If you go right back 5 or 6 years to the start of the other threads on this topic, you will find my view on not having a firm view but allowing the market to actually work, unfettered by faux capitalist right wingnut coal industry owned govts, the whole thing will work itself out. I haven't changed my view.

So you obviously condemn the government subsidies for renewable energy ... must have been in an early post.

And you no doubt condemn the billions of dollars in government subsidies handed out to the mining industry in Australia?
 


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This time around the plebs are learning the real reasons they are being hit in the hip pocket, and will turn on the greedy grubs causing it. Wink
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...or the government subsidies for property investors...or child care, private health insurance, private schools and universities etc..etc..etc..
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Do you buy "energy"? People I know buy electricity and maybe gas as well. The pollies have switched to talking about "energy" because they don't want to mention that three-letter word "gas".

That's because the big price hikes in recent times have been for gas. It's gone from being a third of the price of gas in America 10 years ago, to three times the American price today.

When the boss of BlueScope Steel warns of a looming "energy catastrophe", that's what he's referring to. Our manufacturers now face hugely higher prices for the gas they use.

Politicians on neither side want to talk about gas prices. Why? Because federal governments of both colours were responsible for letting it happen. They allowed the development of a liquefied natural gas export industry in Queensland.

Now, all the gas produced in eastern Australia can be exported to Japan or China for much higher prices. If we want some, we have to pay the "export parity" price.

This has given a huge windfall gain to our gas producers. But it's also disrupted the electricity market by making our gas-fired power stations uneconomic.

But please don't think about that. The real problem, we're told, is too much renewable energy which, though it's been encouraged by the renewable energy target begun by John Howard and continued by Tony Abbott, is all Labor's fault.

It appals me the way first, climate change, and now energy policy have been turned into partisan, salute-the-flag issues. If you vote Liberal you're expected to be dubious about climate change and have a grudge against renewable energy, particularly wind turbines; if you vote Labor it's compulsory to love both.

There'll be a lot of game playing on energy this year, but much less effort put into fixing the problems while minimising price increases.

Ross Gittins is the Herald's economics editor.


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Our electricity bill just doubled! $1600. fiddlesticks...

yeah, we have used the ducted air conditioner a lot over summer. thats the only change. But the clothes dryer has been given a rest over summer. nothing else has changed.

what can you do?? theyve got us by the short and curlies.
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You should check your plan and look around at least once a year.

I was on a discount with Origon, I assumed it just continued. 4 years later I checked for some reason and discovered the discounts only lasted 1 year and I had been paying full price for 3 years.  That policy has changed now I think.   Anyway the next time I got a phone call from an energy company call centre I listened instead of hanging up as usual.

They offered me a deal , but I was not sure if I would save money , it is hard to compare different discounts, some are for usage charges only, some are for total bill, and different companies charge different amounts per unit of energy.

Anyway the person went to his supervisor and came back with a better deal which I accepted. You just have to hang tough and you will get an amazing deal.

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Why new coal? Solar towers + storage beats it on all counts

By Giles Parkinson on 21 February 2017
 

The US-based developers of the world’s leading solar tower and storage technologies has expressed surprise that Australia’s federal government is pursuing “new coal” plants, saying that solar towers with storage beats coal on just about all fronts.

Tom Georgis, the head of international development for SolarReserve, says solar towers and storage can match and beat coal on capability – providing baseload and flexible generation – and match new coal on cost, and provide zero emissions output as a bonus.

“This is just not a direction that financial markets are heading in,” Georgis told RenewEconomy in an interview on Tuesday, during a visit to Australia, where the company is hoping to build a $700 million, 110MW solar tower and storage facility in Port Augusta, and in other states too.

“In our opinion it is almost backward looking,” Georgis said, adding that carbon capture and storage in electricity generation is unproven and not cost-effective, and coal generation needs to take account of the impact of mining, and of emissions.

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http://reneweconomy.com.au/why-new-coal-solar-towers-storage-beats-it-on-all-counts-16080/

 


Gee wizz PT. Are you slowly turning the corner toward solar energy?

This is what I've been saying for a long long time.

Sept 18, 2013.
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Solar energy in a decade or two will be the force of nature we need to replace fossil fuel powered energy sources.

Just in the last 2 years the costs have dropped alarmingly, for a far better product. Less solar panels of smaller size returning more power to the grid.
Something the govt would look at if there wasn't a coal industry to consider.

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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

 

Some of those oddballs might be the ones who told us we were all going to fry because the ozone layer was collapsing, only to later tell us it was supposed to be a mini ice age, then it became global warming, then climate change. Labor and the Greens told us it was carbon dioxide poisoning that was going to be our downfall but they soon realised that lie didn't work.

So the latest scientific term for natural succession is Climate Change. Global Warming is dead and gone. Nobody denies Climate Change. It's just the rate of change and in which direction at any particular time.

Govts from both left and right accepting the science at different levels of agreement, one charging a tax to scare it away. Yet we (the world) still burn the fossil fuels because the world wants it, and still no massive drive to have investments in scientific alternatives from the govts from either side, or other countries. (unless you want to throw in the Greens and their wind turbines that produce wind turbine syndrome)

Where are the alternatives, and why isn't alternative energy the number one priority for our govts?
Because all the coal hasn't been sold yet. Maybe then we'll get massive solar power plants that actually have the input desired to take over from fossil fuels. Surely solar energy is safe, until a scientist finds there is a side effect.

Where do these oddball scientists stand on finding and improving alternative power? If they are so god damn sure we are going to have ice ages and global warming because of fossil fuels, why aren't they doing something about it rather than sitting back measuring it? If Tim Flannery is so smart why hasn't he invented an alternative power source?

Instead of delivering fearful facts to help introduce a tax.

Because it doesn't suit the pocket. Fear sell better.
In the meantime the climate will continue to change as it always has. And there is nothing we can do about mother nature.

We still have coal which can last us a very long time for both powering Australia and to sell to other countries. This will continue but I will not effect the CO2 levels in our atmosphere which are still low compared to centuries past where people didn't frizzle under higher temps as predicted by the IPCC for us. The faux 97% and the failed models are slowly but surely losing their lustre.

Burning coal will however pollute with the other emissions. 
So we do need a renewable source.

But where are our champions of renewable energy when it comes to solar power? We get plenty of sun and it won't be running out any time soon.
I think the energy companies stand to lose far too much by using solar energy because the energy will be cheaper and that will hurt their profit margin.

Until we turn to solar or tidal energy we will be well served by the coal industry.
Now, how do we get the IPCC to use actual peer reviewed scientists to write the IPCC Reports?
Instead of Green Alarmists.
As the scientists of the world (including the 97%) continue to say " show me the data".
I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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I know what you have been saying, I have never questioned itWink

I support a clean environment, and the best way to get there, letting demand determine it, not govts in the pockets of big polluters, claiming to be free market supporters but playing winners in favor of those who line their pockets. That is all.
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On our recent trip to NT we saw plenty of evidence of solar power to run water for stock and things for roads etc.  Trouble is the dust storms we have out there which pretty much broke most of them by the looks of things.

I agree the two sides just have to get on with helping the people to live and survive whatever is thrown at them as someone said above.

We have issues which are extreme without the extreme cold and snow which the northern hemisphere faces most winters.  We have droughts, floods, cyclones, storms or epic proportions.  All which don't help most of the above industries getting off the ground.

Also one above pointed out why all the alarm and no study into surviving issues.  Makes sense to help the world to stay as clean and healthy as possible.  But when that becomes dictatorial its no better than Trump saying he doesn't want immigrants or illegals.

He hasn't studied the benefits the USA have got from these immigrants back through the ages.  People have a right to improve there lives and that of their children.  When other people (well protected by riches or power) decide to make life too difficult you find breakdown of societies.  That is history.  The rich and powerful or governments have to learn to listen to the little people and help the world through helping them.  There are more of them and if they are happy they are more likely to look after the world etc.

I'm sick of the steady tales of woe for this world we all rely on.  In our own way we can help by recycling paper and plastic.  We don't throw out rubbish and try and buy from good companies with sustainable products.  But even those practices hurt people somewhere where they have no chance but to work for unethical companies or chop down forests for food production.

The world is fast becoming us and them.  Countries are cutting themselves away from others.  People are being discriminated against because they aren't like us.  North Korea must have a doctrine of extreme mind control.  Or her people are just too poor to get outside information.  Or do we as people just mindlessly believe what out leaders say.

This world is all we have.  We all live on her and should protect her.  If we get a mini ice age or another heat wave.  We have to pull together or wars will breakout trying to survive.  

The media also have alot to answer for.  Alarmism seem to sell papers or TV shows!  But it doesn't help.  No wonder children become suicidal.  I'm the most negative person in my family and really have to fight against that downward spiral of thoughts which can overwhelm me and others.

People will still stop cars and dive into burning cars to pull people to safty.  Fight of sharks to save their mates.  Go into burning houses to try and save neighbours.  Run towards an exploding plane to try and put out an impossible fire.  Why because most of us are good and care about others.


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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

You should check your plan and look around at least once a year.

I was on a discount with Origon, I assumed it just continued. 4 years later I checked for some reason and discovered the discounts only lasted 1 year and I had been paying full price for 3 years.  That policy has changed now I think.   Anyway the next time I got a phone call from an energy company call centre I listened instead of hanging up as usual.

They offered me a deal , but I was not sure if I would save money , it is hard to compare different discounts, some are for usage charges only, some are for total bill, and different companies charge different amounts per unit of energy.

Anyway the person went to his supervisor and came back with a better deal which I accepted. You just have to hang tough and you will get an amazing deal.




good advice. I did ring up once before questioning why our bill had jumped remarkably compared to the previous with no obvious explanation. And yep...i was told the last bill was on a discounted rate, and it had expired.

i'l challenge this one and see what happens. could be time for a change in provider.
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