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Passing Through
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I was just worried about your welfare if you were downwind and there was a heavy wafting of halal certified odors coming your way. I hope you keep the ambulance number on speed-dial just in case you are subjected to it.
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scamanda
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Well no they don't because the grids can't handle it when nobody is using the electricity. And the price is so low anyone who wants solar should have it. Seriously it's very cheap to get solar now. We even went and bought our first aircon about 6 weeks ago (for the other half) when it was 40+ for 3 days straight. We can run it all day long and it doesn't cost us a cent to run. After the sun goes down it does cost but the temp drops then anyway, plus we've been pumping into the grid all day as well. That on top of irrigating when I need to for zero cost.
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Tlazolteotl
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Solar panels and storage batteries will continue to fall in price. Half today's cost in 5-7 years.
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The future is coal, according to our federal govt
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Certainly cooler now outside than in. Just back from Hidden Figures. It's great. Loved it from start to finish. Now back to work and don't even need the fan on.
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Second Chance
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Cheryl put the ageing reverse cycle heater/cooler on "2" for two hours or more. I turned it off and instead turned on the fan. She soon after turned the fan off and put the reverse cycle back on for another hour or so. After a while then there was a sudden "pop" and a nasty electrical smell. Goodnight the reverse cycle. Not that I'm blaming anyone.
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The sight of them waving that rock around in Parliament was a dismal reflection on the state of modern politics. I this the point we've come to? Government (and opposition to be fair) by trolling.
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BARRIE CASSIDY Will a new coal-fired power station ever be built? ARTHUR SINODINOS BARRIE CASSIDY ARTHUR SINODINOS BARRIE CASSIDY ARTHUR SINODINOS BARRIE CASSIDY |
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JudgeHolden
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They're not not going to hitch our future to coal. They're not insane. Just tawdry politics.
HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLENNot surprisingly, shrinking demand has led to a collapse in coal prices. The decrease in revenues have slashed margins, and now equity in some of the biggest coal miners in the world is almost worthless. Similar to some oil and gas companies, many coal miners accumulated major debt loads when prices were high and demand seemed sustainable. Now major US coal miners such as Peabody Energy and ArchCoal have been obliterated:
The top four miners have lost over $44 billion in market capitalization from their recent peaks in 2011. That’s an astonishing 99.9% decrease in value, and possibly exemplifies the decline of coal better than anything else. https://www.australianmining.com.au/features/decline-coal-three-charts/ |
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Yep, just politics
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/11/hard-facts-unmask-the-fiction-behind-coalitions-coal-comeback?CMP=share_btn_tw
Hard facts unmask the fiction behind Coalition's 'coal comeback' |
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Dr E
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You're a bit slow to report on the great news PT ... why so shy?
Seems that the CFMEUALPGreens are heading down the coal trail as well
Bullgelati Bill has sacked the 50% emissions reduction "target" and it is now simply an "aspiration" ... the irony is that he had to look up "aspiration" in a dictionary to find out what it means ... and the hypocritical oxygen thief still thinks it'd something to do with breathing! |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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That is great news
So, how many coal fired plants are we building, and when does the first one get under way? Better get moving if we want energy security by next summer.
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Victoria to get its first large-scale solar plantsAdam Morton After years of unfulfilled promises, Victoria is on the cusp of getting its first large-scale solar power stations. Three farms in the state's northwest are promised to be operating by the start of next year. Australian company Overland Sun Farming plans to start work in April on separate fields of solar photovoltaic panels at Yatpool, Iraak and Wemen, creating about 200 construction jobs. With a combined output of 320 megawatts, they are expected to produce enough electricity to power Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo when running at full capacity. The $500 million announcement comes amid a heated political debate over the future of energy. The Turnbull government is attacking Labor state governments and the federal opposition for supporting ambitious renewable energy targets, and considering taxpayer funding for new coal-fired power stations. Overland Sun Farming chief Brett Thomas said the three farms would rely on incentives from the bipartisan national renewable energy target to be built, but that the price of solar had fallen to a point where they did not have to wait for a planned Victorian scheme. Under the Andrews government's policy, a fifth of new generation built to meet a target of 40 per cent renewable electricity by 2025 would be large-scale solar. "I think the Victorian program will be great for the industry and will support the volume that the government wants a lot more quickly for projects that aren't as economically efficient as ours, but at the moment we don't need it," Mr Thomas said. He said the renewable energy industry was buoyant due to higher power prices that reflected the real cost of electricity, the falling price of new technologies and the greater availability of equity at low interest rates. "From my point of view, and our business' point of view, there is no doubt that renewables are going to be part of the energy mix," he said. "My assessment of the debate at the moment is that it will be very hard to build new coal in Australia. If you look at international companies like Engie [the French majority owners of the Hazelwood coal station, which closes next month] and others pulling out of coal it is hard to see companies wanting to do new coal here. "I think you can probably argue that very shortly [renewable energy] prices will be at the point that black [fossil fuel] power is at anyway." The highest profile of several promised, but not delivered, solar plants in Victoria was a 2000-dish solar farm near Mildura. Silex Systems walked away from the proposal in 2014, blaming uncertainty created by an Abbott government review of the renewable energy target. ​Mr Thomas said unlike previous proposals Overland had council approval, full finance and a contract to connect to the grid. The three plants, which are a joint venture with British company Island Green Power, are scheduled to be running by January 1. It comes as the Andrews government is calling for expressions of interest to build Australia's first grid-scale battery storage facility to help with power grid reliability. It says the 20 megawatt battery will be built in the northwest or southwest of the state. Follow Adam Morton on Facebook This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/business/energy/victoria-to-get-its-first-largescale-solar-plants-20170218-gug00x.html |
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Second Chance
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Turnbull earlier this year: "The SA blackouts were due to a reliance on renewable energy*".
Turnbull this week after the NSW blackouts: "....................." ie silence in the face of a reliance on fossil fuel generation. * since clearly disproved
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Dr E
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The fact that we don't have enough power when we need it simply means we have wasted too much money on the "Failed South Australian Experiment" already.
Who's brilliant idea was it to invest in technology that only works when conditions are ideal? The Climate "scientists" are telling us that these "extreme" conditions are the "new normal" (hich will no doubt be wrong!), and they are telling us we must have these ridiculous windmills, that fall over when the wind blows and do nothing when it doesn't ... which means they will NEVER provide any useful power, if they are right!!! Cut the ridiculous subsidies, (see how many new ones get built then!) and building new coal fired power stations becomes very economical. Not only will we have cheap clean reliable power to run heating and cooling in all homes - Just like a 1st World Country - but we will be able to operate our desalination plants that the Climate "scientists" insisted we must spend billions on as well ... Question 1: If we never built a desalination plant, how many coal fired power stations could we have built? Question 2: If we paid Climate "scientists" based only on their successful predictions, how many coal fired power stations could we have built?
It's just power generation - it's not rocket "science"!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Passing Through
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When was the last commercial steam train built? Or the last propeller commercial airliner, or paddle ship?
The market determined they were no longer viable, and the market will not support any new coal fired electricity generators, investors wont support them, renewables are the future. You luddites will have to bite the bullet on this one sunshine(see what I did there?) Coal is no longer king
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scamanda
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Climatologists were poorly represented by the governments and the media around the world in the IPCC reports of years gone by. Obama went to the point where he made climate change the biggest threat to mankind. Gillard used the same info as Obama and the models used by the IPCC's so called climatologists have failed time after time. Many climatologists have slowly decided to voice their true opinions on Climate Change and how CO2 isn't going to warm the planet to any great extent, especially man made CO2. They all seem to make the same points. The oceans have been rising for centuries (well.... longer), CO2 isn't a pollutant or poisonous gas, CO2 increases would help plant production....................etc Many chapters of the IPCC reports have been written by unqualified people who were hired because they worked for Greenpeace or WWF. And they give us the interpretation they want us to see/hear. And the 97% lie. The left, even on this forum, are very quick to say that 97% of climatologists agree that Global Warming is happening. Then they run off at the mouth with untrue facts that the climatologists did not say. The IPCC report says it. Climatologists will tell you that the earth has been warming for decades before the evil coal powered electricity demons started to produce power to improve our economy and way of life. We actually are still coming out of a mini ice age. The climate isn't increasing at an alarming rate at all. It's all been one huge hoax by governments (thanks to Al Gore and Co)to take more money for the power we use. Which is economical suicide. At least Trump is behind the coal mines now. Imagine all the billions of dollars waisted on climate science going elsewhere in the world where it would actually help. And the great threatening lie. The science is settled. Which means that nobody can refute it. But, climatologists do. They have been for years but the media don't tell us about that. Slowly the climatologists are coming forward ignoring the threats of unemployment etc to tell the truth. Australia will follow the US and Germany by increasing coal fueled power production (oh yeah, remember Germany? The great green country which pushed for decarbonization?) They built more coal fired power plants. Do as I say, not what I do by the German leaders. And people wonder why Brexit happened. We've got coal, we can use it until it runs out and then turn to another method of production.(it will not be wind turbines) That will be a long way down the track so technology will have us safely powering Australia then. And now even Bullsh!t Bill is on board the coal train. Who'da thought it? |
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So when will the next coal fired station be built in Australia, and who will finance it?
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Gawd...were you a once a door to door salesman selling kirby vacuum cleaners doc? |
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MALCOLM TURNBULL: We do not have one modern high-efficiency, low-emissions coal-fired power station, let alone one with carbon capture-and-storage.
HAYDEN COOPER: So, why are we here? Well, about an hour and a half from Gladstone in central Queensland, there's a power station that is pretty much the closest example that we have in Australia to the new-found ideal of the Prime Minister. It's a super-critical plant called Callide C. Built in 2001, there's only four of these in the country. This one is run by Queensland Government-owned, CS Energy. MARTIN MOORE, CEO, CS ENERGY: You can get more bang for your buck. So, as you run the boiler at high temperatures and pressures, you can actually generate the same amount of electricity using less coal, and so obviously less emissions as well. So when you compare this to brown coal power stations down in the Latrobe Valley, this would have about 25 per cent less emissions than you'd find from there. HAYDEN COOPER: As CEO Martin Moore showed me how the plant works, I wondered what he thought about the next level up in coal-fired power - ultra-super-critical plants. The answer was a surprise. MARTIN MOORE: It's not game-changing. You've still got to think that ultra-super-critical produces twice the emissions of gas-fired technology. HAYDEN COOPER: So would he, the CEO of a coal-powered generator, build one? MARTIN MOORE: Well, I think CS Energy certainly has no intention of building any coal-fired power plants, ultra-centre super-critical or not. And it would surprise me greatly if there was any more coal-fired technology was built in Australia. I think when you look at the risk of the investment, you're talking about $2 billion-plus investment up-front. These assets have a plant life of roughly 40 years, and so it's a very, very big long-term bet. So given the current uncertainty, I think it would be a very courageous board that would invest in coal-fired technology in Australia. HAYDEN COOPER: Stepping back and the body that represents all the major power generators offers the same critique of the Turnbull doctrine. MATTHEW WARREN, AUSTRALIAN ENERGY COUNCIL: Plans for expansion to coal-fired power stations has been basically shelved over the last decade. We're now looking at gas and renewables as the mainstay of the investment for us, at least for the next 10-20 years. HAYDEN COOPER: In Canberra, the rumour is that the Government might seek to subsidise construction of new coal plants. But even its own funding body, the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, is dubious. OLIVER YATES, CLEAN ENERGY FINANCE CORPORATION: It's not really a technology which, ah, would be one that is likely to have a long-term path, and therefore would, again, be very risky for the taxpayer to invest in. MATTHEW WARREN: Anything's possible with Government subsidies, but there isn't really much appetite. I mean, it's still got to be owned and run by the business, unless the Government chooses to build it itself. And I think we're seeing that the industry's moving towards - it's a market, it's private business, it is asked to invest in this and we anticipate that will continue in the future. |
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First ask yourself the questions. How much money has been wasted on Climate Change policy? How much more money will be wasted on Climate Change policy? Wouldn't the money have been better spent elsewhere? Like maybe a new state of the art coal fired power station? Then you have your answer. The Alarmists have cost Australia a huge amount of money chasing a hoax. And that hoax has pushed up electricity prices. That is what happens when the left get hold of the steering wheel, and the wallet. The climate has in fact been much warmer than now. CO2 levels have been 5 to 10 times higher than they are now and at a time when the earth flourished. All the data collecting and reporting costs money, the models cost money, the hearings and inquiries cost money. And it costs the tax payer. Then as a result it costs the tax payer more for electricity. Use that money for new power plants and we're all better off. Climatologists, physicists and professors like John Christy, Judith Curry, Ivar Giaever, William Happer, Garth Partridge, Bob Carter, Peter Ridd, Don Easterbrook deny the mythical 97%, as well as the IPCC Report's findings, and the Alarmists claim that "the science is settled".
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Whether you believe in the science it or not, the market will decide what happens, and at the moment the market is saying renewables. At worst you will get air your grandchildren can breathe.
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I know you won't watch it throughout, but someone that isn't left leaning might. |
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Andrew Bolt wrote another article about climate change today. Strange though he used to quote Carl Mears all the times, has not mentioned him since this :
"Let me nip this in the bud, Andrew Bolt, before you launch into your whole 'but it has stopped warming' line that you've been running for the last few years," Aly said. "This is Carl Mears, the guy whose graph you keep using. We tracked him down, he has a message for you." The show then played a clip of Mears, a climate scientist and the vice president for research at Remote Sensing Systems, who contradicted Bolt's position and said the globe had indeed warmed in the preceding decades. "It's pretty clear that the globe has warmed over the last 18 years," said Mears. "When you do real science you can't just use the data sets that fit your pre-drawn conclusions, but you really need to look at all the data together." well done Andrew |
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The market is in a state of shock PT. The hoax has investors scared they might look politically incorrect if they invest in coal anything, so to protect their investments they follow the media driven ( ha ha Fake News) alternatives.
Watch this video and you might get an idea of what I'm saying. |
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How much has the earth warmed Whale? 0.8 degrees since 1880 according to climatologists. And they don't put it down to man made climate change. It's been happening since the last ice age.
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well I don't know, .8 degrees according to that rambling physicist, not a climate change scientist. All I know is there are reports of record average temperatures all over the world, seems more than .8 degrees to me
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I will watch it later, but something produced by The Heartland Institute funded by Exxon and the Koch brothers doesn't fill me with confidence that it will be impartial Bit like asking Larry Pickering his thoughts on Muslims
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rather embarrassing rambling from a once brilliant man, sad. " I never seen any difference between strawberries in Italy and Norway, it is ridiculous "
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