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Originally posted by breeding_above_all breeding_above_all wrote:

Hartnell is beautifully bred and you would be confident he will stay the trip BUT there seems to be absolutely 0 love for Protectionist. He made a mockery of the field on MC day and tbh this wouldn't be a better field imo.

Hartnell is much better placed- form-weight-distance credentials- than anything Protectionist faced in MC.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Thanks Daylami. Found this video of the Ascot raceday which includes the Hartnell 2M win at 38m mark and the incredible win of  Eagle Top over Adelaide (18:40m mark)

Did get a bit tired late but with 52kgs the risk might be he forgets there's a jockey on and goes to sleep. Convinced me he's as near a certainty in a G1 as you can get.
Contributer is also in that package about 8m mark.
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Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.
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Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.

Don't forget we also dig up rocks and gelati.Tongue
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Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.

I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.
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Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.

I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.

Yeah, that horse breeding is getting in the way of digging up rocks- it will have to go. Priorities, man!
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Thanks NOB. Super run by Contributer
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Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:


Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.


I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.


You know how it works.

Export to 1,400.

Import 1,400 and upwards.
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Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:


Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.


I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.


You know how it works.

Export to 1,400.

Import 1,400 and upwards.

They buy more then just sprinters as yearlings from here.

Look at So You Think's offspring, they're not going to be sprinters the vast majority, but roughly half so far at Easter are going overseas, to places like Hong Kong/SA.
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Gr8. So You Think was a bit of an anomaly. Given it was the best Australasian horse since perhaps Kingston Town and if it stayed in oz may have beaten Pinker Pinker, Ocean Park and Shamus Award to sneer 5 Cox plates in a row.

When we have horses from Australia consistently contesting and winning our major 2,000 metre races again; come and talk to me.
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Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Gr8. So You Think was a bit of an anomaly. Given it was the best Australasian horse since perhaps Kingston Town and if it stayed in oz may have beaten Pinker Pinker, Ocean Park and Shamus Award to sneer 5 Cox plates in a row.

When we have horses from Australia consistently contesting and winning our major 2,000 metre races again; come and talk to me.

So You Think was just the quick example, they also have bought about half the High Chaps as well as half the Street Cry's.


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Which are really sons and daughters of imports.
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Yes, which is completely irrelevant. They're our breeding stock now, with our mares. We bred them and are now exporting them.
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Yes you are right. Apologies.
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.


Surely Protectionist is a bigger danger?


If you asked me a couple of months ago if have absutely agreed. But I believe on what we've seen this prep WSTB is going better than last prep while Protectionost is going worse.

Between them, there is a 2kg pull to WSTB from the Melb Cup. Not enough on what Protectionist did to WSTB in the Cup. But then consider WSTB beat Protectionist and produced a better run in the BMW when they carried the same weight, and they now go to 3200m (arguably each appreciates it as much as the other) and WSTB gets 3.5kg off Protectionist.

If Protectionist beats Hartnell I'll be shocked. If he beats WSTB I'll be surprised but it's certainly possible as he's open to sharp improvement up to 3200m. But it's undeniable that WSTB is better suited at handicap at the weights given their respective performances at WFA in the BMW.
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Gee he's looking good in trials.

SOB cost me a fortune in the Sydney Cup.
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Won't be having another run until the Turnbull, then the Cox Plate. Hmm. If he was fat first up over 1600m not sure if he's going to be fit enough for the Turnbull 2nd up.
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^ Perfect.

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They'll fit a trial in.

It won't take much for this horse to go from everyone's tip to win everything, to finishing the prep winless.
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I've heard people who should know better gushing like tweenagers about the barrier trials of two horses in the last month- Hartnell and Redzel.
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Barrier trials are very deceptive and often don't transfer to race day performance.  I think they are a useful guide for horses coming through maidens and restricted ranks.  Once you get to the top level they mean very little when assessing form.
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Judging Hartnell on that Randwick track will be a big mistake.
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Off that I say he would of beaten winx
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Originally posted by vaopoaljsie vaopoaljsie wrote:

Off that I say he would of beaten winx

What did you have Winx doing to those hacks, led by Sea The Stars? A hard fought 2 length win?
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Is John O'Shea going to follow the "Saintly" preparation of Hill Stakes, followed by Metropolitan Hcp, then the Cox Plate. that would seem like a sensible program for him.
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O'Shea didn't sound awfully keen on sending him to Melbourne at all when interviewed yesterday. Hopefully he changes his mind, and if the horse keeps performing I'd say he'd be too tempted not to.
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Hartnell will always have a place in my history of racing- the greatest weighted certainty in a handicap I have ever seen.
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Is he coming to Melbourne or sticking to Sydney
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With Tryster no longer coming for the Cox Plate, I would be inclined to think they target the Cox Plate now. You might find it's ultimate aim is the Melbourne Cup though. I think they believe he is finally relaxing and will run a strong 2 mile as a result.
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