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That was a very good run
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Tip top for the mile next start.
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Not in the field for that race though?
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This grand old horse is having another super prep.

Where’s he running in Sydney?
I assume they’ll avoid Winx
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Doncaster.
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He’s actually not too badly in at 58. Surprised if he could win though.
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Why?
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Its a kilo more than he carried in the Epsom. And likely to be a much stronger field.
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Must admit I was on him in the All Star Mile. I thought he would be the blowout horse but just didn't wind up like he used to. Was very good late but that's not his winning style.. 

I think he's got a G1 left in him and will still with him this prep. Maybe a trip up to Sydney is what he's after. 
Definitely worth sticking with him if you're a fan.
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After a gun run all race he found a bit of trouble getting a run and finished well.

Was a better run than Alizee for mine

Doubt he can finish top 3 in Doncaster though at that weight against much lighter horses.

He seems better at a mile than the 2000 so he will be in the mix no doubt.
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What an terrific horse this guy is. 4 years after first arriving on our shores in 2015 and he’s still mixing it in the top races in 2019 with 50 starts under his belt.

He’s a ‘proper’ race horse, campaigning spring & autumn, year after year. He’s built up a great resume with wins in the Tancred & Epsom, plus placings in a Cox Plate, Melbourne Cup & now a Doncaster Hcp.

And whenever I hear James Cummings talk about him, you get a feel for the respect & high regard the stable have for him.

I’m not sure if he’s lining up in the QE Stks next weekend. But it would be a wonderful story if he could knock off his old adversary Winx at her final start.

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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

But it would be a wonderful story if he could knock off his old adversary Winx at her final start.


Really? LOL I think his popularity would struggle to recover if that happened. 
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Been racingre recently with three week breaks. Think they’ve learnt with him. Doubt he’ll be backing up.
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More likely he goes to the Hollindale and Doomben cup I would think.

He is a very good horse, no champion but a very good horse, hopefully he has a bit left in the tank yet. Could win the Cox Plate with Winx gone.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

More likely he goes to the Hollindale and Doomben cup I would think.

He is a very good horse, no champion but a very good horse, hopefully he has a bit left in the tank yet. Could win the Cox Plate with Winx gone.


   Love these honest Gallopers . Run to their assessments , religiously.

Not easy to give the big weights to these smart ones , "on the rise" in these Group Handicaps.      Rising 9 now , so he has to give way to youth soon.
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He isn't a top horse.

Even a Tassie horse clearly had his measure at equal weights.

Just looked good over years here as our depth is horrible.
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Equal being WFA
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Great, now he's gunna bang on about the Tassie filly for another 3 f**king pages 🤦‍♂️
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Mystic Journey is a very good horse.

Top quality i don't think so (and I'm Tassie biased)
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Mystic Journey is a very good horse.

Top quality i don't think so (and I'm Tassie biased)


What is it abput her performance to date that suggests to you she is not top quality ?
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Quality of field.

Beaten battlers like Hartnell yes, but Winx embarrasses him.

So yeah she's very good but beaten nothing so far. Hartnell and Alizee both failed in Doncaster.

Her next prep will say more i guess, assuming some Internationals come over.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

He isn't a top horse.

Even a Tassie horse clearly had his measure at equal weights.

Just looked good over years here as our depth is horrible.


So you describe our racing over a mile as “very good”, but then denegrate Hartnell’s form for the lack of depth. What about his form over and less than a mile which is very strong in as you say, ‘very good’ quality racing?

You’re arguments tend to have this intriguing sporadic quality about them. It’s interesting that you describe Hartnell’s form as lacking depth despite heavily featuring perhaps Australia’s GOAT. I and I’m guessing no one else with basic comprehension skills would agree with that.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Quality of field.

Beaten battlers like Hartnell yes, but Winx embarrasses him.

So yeah she's very good but beaten nothing so far. Hartnell and Alizee both failed in Doncaster.

Her next prep will say more i guess, assuming some Internationals come over.


Maybe the Queen Anne winner can come over to frank her form??
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Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Quality of field.

Beaten battlers like Hartnell yes, but Winx embarrasses him.

So yeah she's very good but beaten nothing so far. Hartnell and Alizee both failed in Doncaster.

Her next prep will say more i guess, assuming some Internationals come over.


Maybe the Queen Anne winner can come over to frank her form??


If MJ stands up in Spring i hope they take on the world.

Big "if" yes, but you can only beat the same horses over and over again.
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ChrisB, tell us, who doesn’t Winx embarras? If a horse is no good if Winx embarrasses it, then your logic has finally paid dividends, she has raced only duds because she embarrassed them all.

Here is the the ‘unsolvable problem’, if Winx is so dominant then she mustn’t be facing quality opposition, therefore she is actually not that good. I finally understand ChrisB, he is trapped in a loop of non-comprehension.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Quality of field.

Beaten battlers like Hartnell yes, but Winx embarrasses him.

So yeah she's very good but beaten nothing so far. Hartnell and Alizee both failed in Doncaster.

Her next prep will say more i guess, assuming some Internationals come over.


Maybe the Queen Anne winner can come over to frank her form??


If MJ stands up in Spring i hope they take on the world.

Big "if" yes, but you can only beat the same horses over and over again.


I say that because... Accidental Agent would struggle to even make a Gr1 field over here.
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Humidor nearly beat her.
Benbatl smashed Humidor and he is pretty ordinary.
See a theme happening at 2K?
Again,you and others get your knickers in a knot when I'm simply questioning the form.

Doesn't mean she isn't unbelievable as she is. But best ever, well that's where i disagree.
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Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Quality of field.

Beaten battlers like Hartnell yes, but Winx embarrasses him.

So yeah she's very good but beaten nothing so far. Hartnell and Alizee both failed in Doncaster.

Her next prep will say more i guess, assuming some Internationals come over.


Maybe the Queen Anne winner can come over to frank her form??


If MJ stands up in Spring i hope they take on the world.

Big "if" yes, but you can only beat the same horses over and over again.


I say that because... Accidental Agent would struggle to even make a Gr1 field over here.


Another hypothetical.

Who knows. We don't as Winx didn't try.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Humidor nearly beat her.
Benbatl smashed Humidor and he is pretty ordinary.
See a theme happening at 2K?
Again,you and others get your knickers in a knot when I'm simply questioning the form.

Doesn't mean she isn't unbelievable as she is. But best ever, well that's where i disagree.


If you knew anything about Banbatl’s form, you would chuck the house on to have run 2nd. His form on firm tracks from 1800-2000m is world class. On the other hand Cracksman who was the highest rated UK runner would have been scratched from the 2018 Cox Plate because he’d be hard-pressed running a place.

You also say things like ‘nearly beaten by Benbatl’. This is appallingly poor reading of a race. I have never seen her win with so little effort. She literally had them covered under no urging at all, and was asked for an effort inside 180m. Any this is about Hartnell so won’t go any further.

Hartnell is a very good horse who has had the misfortune of racing in the Winx era.
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Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

Humidor nearly beat her.
Benbatl smashed Humidor and he is pretty ordinary.
See a theme happening at 2K?
Again,you and others get your knickers in a knot when I'm simply questioning the form.

Doesn't mean she isn't unbelievable as she is. But best ever, well that's where i disagree.


If you knew anything about Banbatl’s form, you would chuck the house on to have run 2nd. His form on firm tracks from 1800-2000m is world class. On the other hand Cracksman who was the highest rated UK runner would have been scratched from the 2018 Cox Plate because he’d be hard-pressed running a place.

You also say things like ‘nearly beaten by Benbatl’. This is appallingly poor reading of a race. I have never seen her win with so little effort. She literally had them covered under no urging at all, and was asked for an effort inside 180m. Any this is about Hartnell so won’t go any further.

Hartnell is a very good horse who has had the misfortune of racing in the Winx era.
Yes Hartnell is a very good horse. If Winx didn’t exist , Hartnells record in the 2016/17 season would include a Cox Plate , a QE11 and third in a Melbourne Cup. That’s probably better than So You Thinks last year racing here. He’s also a beautiful horse and one of my favourites.
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