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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Let's hope he goes to the Sydney Cup next.


He is an absolute weight and rating certainty in the Sydney Cup- so of course he'll lose.LOL
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Let's hope he goes to the Sydney Cup next.

You're sitting pretty. Can't read O'Shea so I haven't jumped in.
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he'll def go Syd Cup
 
Contrib to QE.
 
take the double,
 
to the whingers who don't liekt he price of the darley double add in Savaria for the Oaks  :)  
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Loving the OShea double this week!!
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He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 9:40am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.

If Hartnell loses you'd be entitled to give up the punt.Wink
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All over him again this week!
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.


Surely Protectionist is a bigger danger?
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Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.
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Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.
When was he $6 for the Sydney Cup?
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I reckon the triffy is a moral.

Barman, Protection and Hartnell.
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Originally posted by SYT SYT wrote:


Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.

When was he $6 for the Sydney Cup?


Before the Chippy Norton. I guess most Bookies thought it might go to the QE11.
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he is a lovely type. i bumped into john oshea the day after the chipping norton and commented how striking of a looker hartnell is. i put it on him "is hartnell a better type than contributer?"

he wouldnt go that far, only saying contributer is a real athlete who will be best around 2000 whilst hartnell will be better over the longer trips.
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Everybody seems convinced he will run the trip.


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1 from 1 at the distance.
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And no obvious pace in the race.
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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

he is a lovely type. i bumped into john oshea the day after the chipping norton and commented how striking of a looker hartnell is. i put it on him "is hartnell a better type than contributer?"

he wouldnt go that far, only saying contributer is a real athlete who will be best around 2000 whilst hartnell will be better over the longer trips.
Thanks for sharing.
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All Hatnell jockey needs to do is make sure he is 2 lengths infront of WSTBM on the turn and it wins.

Shouldn't be hard as WSTBM will go back from the wide draw.

Protectionist is the wild card and could do anything from win by 11 lengths to flop and run last.
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Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

1 from 1 at the distance.

In the 3yo race at Royal Ascot. Hardly a high quality affair.

I will go and have a look at it to see how that particular renewal has stood up.




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I see he had 7 starts as a 2yo under Mark Johnston. Does not seemed to have done him any harm.


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Theres no pace in this, won't be a genuine 3200, he also has a light weight.
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all it has to do is lope along and then sprint for the last 400.
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Yep fair points, He basically outclasses them.




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but you are right. The only nagging query is if he runs out the distance.

What do people think of the Hong Kong horse Dominant?

Looked to run on well last start.
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He is a seriously classy horse but I doubt he will run the trip. If he got out to 16/1+ I'd have something on him just because of his class.




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Harnell won the Queen's Vase as a 3 year old on an undulating track with a stiff uphill finish. I doubt he will have a problem running the distance on a flat Randwick track. Two of the last three Ascot gold cup winners have come from the Queen's Vase (Leading light, Estimate). Mark Johnston's horse are extremely tough;so I don't see him being outstayed. He ticks all the boxes, the only way Hartnell gets beat on Saturday is if he takes a backward step
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Yes it looks the best bet of all time. That is why the money came so strongly at $2.70 and $2.50 and even $2.30.

I expect it to almost start in the red come race time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tlazolteotl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:11pm
Of course he could have a cough or a cold or some kind of splutter or a bleed which will ruin his chances but I'm reasonably sure he won't have the excuse I often see used of being in season.
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Thanks Daylami. Found this video of the Ascot raceday which includes the Hartnell 2M win at 38m mark and the incredible win of  Eagle Top over Adelaide (18:40m mark)

Did get a bit tired late but with 52kgs the risk might be he forgets there's a jockey on and goes to sleep. Convinced me he's as near a certainty in a G1 as you can get.
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Hartnell is beautifully bred and you would be confident he will stay the trip BUT there seems to be absolutely 0 love for Protectionist. He made a mockery of the field on MC day and tbh this wouldn't be a better field imo.
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