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    Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 3:51am
I find this horse very interesting, especially his racing pathway before he was spelled.

6yo [April 2011] by Sinndar [IRE] out Aloisi [GB], a placed Kalanisi [IRE] mare.  Sire an Arc winner and the mare the daughter of a Breeders Cup Turf winner.

7 starts in Europe for a 2-1-2 record, winning a 2000m maiden and a 2400m lowly handicap, never racing beyond 2400m.

Bought by Australian Bloodstock and sent to Kris Lees, for 6 starts over 2 spells for a 1-0-1 record, including winning a 2300m BM65 by 3.5 lengths, 7 length 7th of 10th, 11.7 length and 14.1 length lasts over 1600m and 2200m respectively.

After that last run, common sense prevailed and he was transferred to a far more competent trainer, Weir.

He proceed to win 3 races in a row, a 2350m BM78, 2580m BM78 and the 3200m Listed Andrew Ramsden Stakes.

In 18 days Weir transformed him from looking like just another sub-par import that had Kris Lees fingerprints all over, to potentially a group performing horse, maybe even a Melbourne Cup starter, the Ramsden win was on the 21st May.

That's when things get very bizarre, and confusing for me.

The horse proceeded to have 5 hurdle trials in a row, between the 3rd of June and 12th of July, about 5 1/2 weeks.

5 days later he wins a maiden hurdle by 9 lengths.

Then about 3 weeks later he goes over to Morphettville for a 2500m BM82 over the flat, with 62kg, and ends up running a 5.8 length 7th, as $2.50 fav, and was never in the race.

On the 12th August he has another hurdle trial, and on the 21st he races in a 4000m 50k hurdle and wins comfortably as a short priced favourite, then he is sent for a spell.


Can somebody explain to me why this horse wasn't get for the Melbourne Cup?  Or even the 2800m race on Cup day? Or frankly any flat spring racing plan?

The Ramsden is about 5 1/2 months from the Melbourne Cup, and instead of setting him down that path, or any flat racing path, which he had clearly demonstrated under Weir was, at the very least, a reasonable racing plain going forward, decided to give him a half dozen hurdle trials, a couple of hurdle races, with an awkward flat race stuck in between, interstate, with a big weight, dropping back in distance, and then decides to send him out for a spell in late August?


I'm not saying he would've made the Cup field, but there are plenty of races that he could've ended up running him if he hadn't continued his rapid ascension under Weir on the flat, i honestly have absolutely no idea what they were thinking. 

Australian Bloodstock didn't buy this guy to be a hurdler, they bought him to, hopefully, be a group class flat stayer.

Can somebody explain to me the logic and strategy about the path they went down? Why not target him at the 2800m race on cup day, if they thought the MC was too unrealistic?

He doesn't technically turn 6 until April 2017, so he was very young to start going over the hurdles anyway?  Weir is 10x the trainer of stayers Kris Lees will ever be, which just makes the route he went down with Glorious Sinndar far more confusing and perplexing to me.


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I've never had a horse with Australian Bloodstock but from what I've heard is that they are extremely cooperative with trainer plans whatever they be. I dare say Weir told them he woudlnt be near good enough to be competitive on the flat and jumps was their best option
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Was sent to Weir with the sole purpose of becoming a jumper. He took a few foes to get qualified as he was being too careful according to his riders. He is a very safe jumper, almost too safe if you get what I mean.

The connections are aware he is nowhere near classy enough to be a cup horse, just happened to be in good enough form to pick up the Ramadan at the time. He will be back in work in a few weeks with the aim next prep some major jumps races
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He can certainly stay all day, but is probably well short of the level required to be competitive in this Spring staying races.

I was surprised he went jumping this season, but there is good money to be earned over over jumps during the winter and I'd expect expect Glorious Sinndar to be a major player in the 2017 jumps season. 

And don't forget that these Euro stayers often mix jumping and flat racing.   A few of the fancies for this year's Melb Cup are jumpers - Wicklow Brave & Heartbreak City. So there's no reason why Glorious Sinndar couldn't s compete in something like an Adelaide Cup nex year.
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It was the owners decision to send the horse jumping.

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a mate owns the horse and when they brought him they where advised he is just a city horse - possible weak listed only- they paid next to nothing for mine but the horse is a mental head case- laughable to say he was a carnival horse- I just rang him and he was pissing himself someone would suggest that-
His a ADL city horse and future grand national horse- the owners are well in front with him so everything is a bonus
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Originally posted by Bushy Bushy wrote:

a mate owns the horse and when they brought him they where advised he is just a city horse - possible weak listed only- they paid next to nothing for mine but the horse is a mental head case- laughable to say he was a carnival horse- I just rang him and he was pissing himself someone would suggest that-
His a ADL city horse and future grand national horse- the owners are well in front with him so everything is a bonus


Thanks for sharing Bushy,
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Originally posted by Bushy Bushy wrote:

a mate owns the horse and when they brought him they where advised he is just a city horse - possible weak listed only- they paid next to nothing for mine but the horse is a mental head case- laughable to say he was a carnival horse- I just rang him and he was pissing himself someone would suggest that-
His a ADL city horse and future grand national horse- the owners are well in front with him so everything is a bonus

Well pardon me Bushy for even thinking a horse that wins a non age restricted listed 3200m race at Flemington MIGHT be a prospect to be set for the Melbourne Cup or the 2800m on Cup day, considering it had won 3 from 3 after being moved to Weir.

How ridiculous of me to ASK the question. If only i knew everything, like you.
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Back on Saturday.
Being set for Warrnambool May Carnival
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Kicks off a long prep today,
Being set for the Grand National in August

Would love to see him flying home for a place
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You a part owner DJ?
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Not me, but my brother in law is
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Originally posted by Bushy Bushy wrote:

a mate owns the horse and when they brought him they where advised he is just a city horse - possible weak listed only- they paid next to nothing for mine but the horse is a mental head case- laughable to say he was a carnival horse- I just rang him and he was pissing himself someone would suggest that-
His a ADL city horse and future grand national horse- the owners are well in front with him so everything is a bonus

Looked a treat today at Flemington only the over-racing made it a watch only ...... wish Weir had said before the race of how the horse had been turned around by the hard work of the strapper/track rider in-between runs instead of after ..... trainers do that don't they LOL

Still it was a great account made it a top interview and a nice to see the reward for the work that went in.
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Originally posted by Go Flash Go Go Flash Go wrote:

Originally posted by Bushy Bushy wrote:

a mate owns the horse and when they brought him they where advised he is just a city horse - possible weak listed only- they paid next to nothing for mine but the horse is a mental head case- laughable to say he was a carnival horse- I just rang him and he was pissing himself someone would suggest that-
His a ADL city horse and future grand national horse- the owners are well in front with him so everything is a bonus

Looked a treat today at Flemington only the over-racing made it a watch only ...... wish Weir had said before the race of how the horse had been turned around by the hard work of the strapper/track rider in-between runs instead of after ..... trainers do that don't they LOL

Still it was a great account made it a top interview and a nice to see the reward for the work that went in.

Whoops wrong horse it was Goldstream that was referring to it mixed up with this one ..... 3 days of racing in row is taking it's toll ..... Embarrassed


Hope l got that right Smile


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Where is this horse?
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Finally back at the races, Camperdown Cup tomorrow
Follow him when he gets fit and out to his right trip
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That would be a real good race if run over 2000m or further.


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Bring on Oakbank and a few hurdles....made up heaps of ground late for 4th in the Colac Cup.
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He is going well, just needs racing
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Undefeated after 2 hurdle starts but they were nearly 2 years ago.

From what I can remember he didn’t jump all that well in his hurdle debut and really just flat ability that got him through.

I think Felix Bay might be a danger to him today. He was not far away from the likes of Hornets Nest & Ancient King last season.
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