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oneonesit
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3blindmice
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Funny how deniers don't like reading things which give the lie to their beliefs 11. You don't read links so cut and paste is the next best thing - not for you to read, but for others to compare reality with denier fantasy. The arithmetic on power costs was simple enough was it not? No context, qualification, or elaboration - as important as that actually is as most would understand.
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I will cease being a denier and will BELIEVE in climate change , when the believers start acting like they really believe in Climate Change.
By stop using motor vehicles, electricity , Aeroplanes etc. |
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Isaac soloman
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a big one macca, air conditioners.
stop using air conditioners.
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maccamax
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Don't A/C's run on electricity. Isaac. Don't confuse me. I had to look that up in those books we are advised to read. Vibrators are on the banned list too. Their batteries need recharging daily ( sometimes more ) |
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Dr E
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Wasn't sure where to post this ... it is in fact appropriate for every thread!
Very interesting read (and not too many big words!), although I'm sure it will have some people taking to their PUERILE FWITTED MORONIC computer with a hammer!!! ... for a lot of people, it will only reinforce what you know, but does explain how the anomaly has come about, and you can easily visualise who the characters are!!!
The Psychology of Progressive HostilityRecently, I arrived at a moment of introspection about a curious aspect of my own behavior. When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out. This hesitancy is a consequence of the different treatment one tends to receive from those on the Right and Left when expressing a difference of opinion. I am not, as it turns out, the only one who has noticed this. “That’s a stupid f**king question,” answered a Socialist Alliance activist when I asked sincerely where they were getting what sounded like inflated poverty statistics. “If you don’t believe in gay marriage or gun control, unfriend me,” demand multiple Facebook statuses from those I know. “That’s gross and racist!” spluttered a red-faced Ben Affleck when the atheist and neuroscientist Sam Harris criticized Islamic doctrines on Bill Maher’s Real Time. Nobody blinks an eye when Harris criticizes Christianity, least of all Affleck, who starred in Kevin Smith’s irreverent religious satire Dogma. But Christians are not held to be a sacrosanct and protected minority on the political Left. As Skeptic Magazine’s Michael Shermer tweeted recently: When I debate Christians, Jews, Creationists, climate deniers etc. they are unfailingly polite, respectful, thoughtful, discerning, & listen to my arguments. Far Left SJWs do not. They simply look for fault & pounce. Outbursts of emotional hostility from progressive activists – now described as Social Justice Warriors or SJWs – have come to be known as getting ‘triggered.’ This term originally applied to sufferers of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, but activists have adopted it to describe the anxiety and discomfort they experience when they are exposed to views with which they disagree. “kiss free speech!” one group of social justice advocates recently told Vice Media, as if this justified the growing belief among university students that conservatives should be prevented from speaking on college campuses. It’s no secret that, with the rise of the triggered progressive, university professors are increasingly intimidatedby their own students. An illustrative example of this alarming trend was provided by the hoards of screaming students who surrounded the distinguished Yale sociologist Nicholas Christakis and demanded his head (which they duly received). Christakis had made the mistake of defending an email his wife had written gently criticizing Yale’s attempts to regulate students’ Halloween costumes. “Who the kiss hired you?!” screamed one irate student in response. “You should step down!” This sort of my-way-or-the-highway mentality is now spreading well beyond the urban university and into even remote communities. In the small Outback Australian town of Alice Springs where I once lived, agitators have attacked and attempted to silence the local aboriginal town councillor Jacinta Price for her principled efforts to improve the lives of her people. When Price tried to sound the alarm about skyrocketing sexually transmitted diseases, or the adult rape of children in aboriginal communities, she was shouted down as a ‘traitor’ and a ‘coconut’ (a term of disparagement used to describe a person deemed to be black on the outside and white on the inside). These criticisms do not come from the majority of aboriginal people in Alice Springs, but from a minority of furiously offended activists who, in their own little circles, plot to have Price undemocratically removed from the town council. Censorship is now the instrument of choice, and a reactionary authoritarianism increasingly defines what the liberal Muslim activist Maajid Nawaz has termed the ‘Regressive Left.’ So how and why have these activists become so intolerant and horrible to deal with? Part of this hostility can be explained by a wilful ignorance and incuriosity about ideas with which they disagree. Every so often, a progressive friend will peruse my bookshelf in a thought-police sort of fashion. What happens next is fairly predictable. Once they realize that Malinowski’s Melanesian epic The Sexual Life of Savages doesn’t include any erotic pictures, they will turn their attention to the Ayn Rand collection. “Why do you have these?” they ask with an air of indignation, holding up a copy of Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. “Have you ever read her?” I will ask. “No,” they reliably respond. The liberal philosopher John Stuart Mill once explained that, “The greatest orator, save one, of antiquity, has left it on record that he always studied his adversary’s case with as great, if not with still greater, intensity than even his own.” Mill held that unless we carefully study the views of those with whom we disagree, we will never really know what they’re right or wrong about. “He who knows only his own side of the case,” Mill wrote in his 1859 book On Liberty, “knows little of that.” Our opponents could be right for all we know or care, because they may know a fact or offer an argument we’ve never thought to consider. And even if they aren’t right, Mill points out that specks of truth may exist among their falsehoods which can guide our minds in new directions. FOR MORE (RECOMMENDED), including an explanation of how the Conservatives "... surrendered the humanities and what philosopher Roger Scruton has called the ‘fake fields’ of gender and ethnic studies (how true is that!!!) to their political opponents on the Left, who relish their role as the unchallenged shapers of student minds." ; http://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psychology-progressive-hostility/ ... and this little clip is priceless (as is the one that follows it!) |
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Having Scruton on this thread just doesn't seem right.
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JudgeHolden
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Actually Scruton is worth listening to. When he's not shilling for big tobacco that is. For at least among conservatives he understands what's chiefly undermining traditional values and institutions.
Scruton wrote his defining work on traditional Toryism, The Meaning of Conservatism, in 1980, when Margaret Thatcher was furiously rebranding conservatism as all to do with markets. The paradox, of course, is that market forces eat away at the pillars of tradition and civil society. Thatcher never foresaw the crass, loadsamoney culture unleashed by her market liberalism, and detested by Scruton. Read more: http://www.afr.com/lifestyle/arts-and-entertainment/art/afrlunch-with-roger-scruton-tradition-truth-and-beauty-20140523-iuplh#ixzz59O6f3JxM |
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He's brilliant.
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oneonesit
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Unbelievable......a bloke takes a day out the place & what happens ? - bugger all that's what. This contrived acceptance of each other's position is just not up to scratch. Fire a few broadsides pls 3bm - its Sunday & im bored !
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maccamax
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Start with the Scrutum bit ... Shouldn't that read Scrotum . The only reason climate changes is to avoid us having to watch the old biddies in Bikini's , all the year round. |
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For a conservative, he even has a reasonable (if simplistic, which he himself admits) attitudes to climate change, getting back to the thread topic. It’s a topic which for some reason causes conservatives to lose their minds- even perhaps my favourite conservative writer Jonah Goldberg has said some incredibly silly things on this. I think it’s because so many see this as a “green” issue, when it’s nothing of the sort. And then of course tribalism takes hold. In the long run, it’ll cost them. |
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In the interests of fairness, I should say it also causes some on the left to lose their minds as well. But it’s different. Howard himself campaigned on an emission trading’s scheme. Modern conservatives denying there’s a problem that needs confronting (rather than how to confront it) is big blunder, imo.
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Judge those 2 guys are examples of (different) conservatives who got to their worldviews through thinking for themselves, and they care more about certain core principles than about being part of some club, which is all most people do these days. My personal view is that I literally don't care enough about how true global warming is to bother with it, and the more hyperbolic BS and religious fervour I hear about it the less inclined I am to care. There's plenty more important things IMO. I think the same way about lots of passing trends that progressives blow out of proportion until the next thing comes along. Cue someone telling me that there's nothing more important than saving the earth for our children's children blah blah.
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You can care for the planet and not have this interfere with core conservative values. I would argue that care for the environment IS a reasonable conservative position. If you have a religious perspective, moreso.
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Cannot agree more.
Why would you be interested in looking after the place which our children’s children will inherit when 2 hours on a Sunday morning will fix all. Amen |
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Absolutely. Just all the alarmist stuff is OTT, and I believe insincere and agenda driven. Totally different to reasonable care for the environment and the common good. |
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Simply beautiful Softy. And while we're at it let's spend their inheritance (resources) as well.
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Precisely what alarmist stuff, from whom, and what agenda is that? What is "reasonable care" of the environment ? Cleaning up oil spills? Limiting deforestation and land clearing? Should scientists not have studied and modelled warming and disseminated that information for governments and businesses to act on as they see fit?
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maccamax
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If we want to show our care for the children of the future , start with the drug scurge that is swallowing them up faster and more dangerously than some climate hoax , fear , delusion.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Tlazolteotl
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I've given up on Earth- it's rooted- I'm off to Mars. |
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Don't bother Tlaz, it's just a wasteland of broken windmills and solar panels ... why do you think the Martians left?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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I have been cutting the lawn ... Not easy ... 70 years ago this bluddy global warming hadn't stuffed up my breather.
I'll get there in about 5 goes , but the old grey mare , he ain't wot he used to be. |
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Those irrelevant detestable cup cakes who support the ALP/Greens and the "Global Warming Lie" have no scruples ... see The Leader of the ALP/Greens Collusion Di Natale blaming "Climate Change" for the bush fires in Victoria and the Cyclone in NT ... did the "Faux Scientists" conveniently forget about Ash Wednesday or Cyclone Tracey when they were briefing him?
Good grief, who votes for these scum of the earth dick heads?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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And what are the corrupt fossil fuel industry owned new Liberal Govt in SA doing?
Falling renewable costs 'chilling' for fossil fuelsBy Cole LatimerUpdatedfirst published at |
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Dr E
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Have we stopped subsidising unreliable intermittent wind and solar energy? ... that's great, if it's true! What happens when the wind doesn't blow or it blows too hard, and the sun doesn't shine? How long does the battery power last? If it is so cheap now, why are 1600 coal fired power plants being commissioned around the world? ...why would the head of Bloomberg "New Energy Finance", be spruiking "New Energy", I wonder?
"chilling" indeed ...
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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This is interesting
A major oil company just agreed in court that humans cause climate change. It sets a new precedent.Umair Irfan
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