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    Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 2:46am
... but the "science is settled" ... according to the corrupt liars.

In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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I have said it before, and I will say it again.

The planet has been cooling down and warming up, long before humans existed, so yes global warming is happening. 

Is it the fault of humans? No.

Does human activity accelerate global warming? Perhaps.

Does global warming have any effect on climate change? Yes.

Is climate change more adverse to human populations, than global warming? Yes.

Why? Because if you have severe droughts, and extreme floods during your food growing periods, your ability to feed everyone is lost.

Is climate change reversible? No. Once you have a region of your country which is effected by prolonged, and extreme conditions, it is just about impossible to regain that productive land.

Should governments do something about climate change? What an idea. In Australia for instance you could develop a network of man made waterways, which divert flood waters to catchment facilities, and then pipe the water to areas which are drought prone.

This idea is not new. My home town of Goulburn, had some of the harshest water restriction in the country during the early part of this century. We now have water piped from a river which is feed by coastal waters to our east, so the water needs to be treated, but a virtually non stop supply of water, and since the pipeline has been operating in late 2013, our water supply has not dropped under 75%, and it is currently at 95% 

The government just needs to understand what will happen to Australia and actually do something about the issue, but I think there is more chance of hell freezing over, than that happening!

As far as the greens go, they are the modern day Arab terrorists from the 1970's, who hijacked planes and kidnapped those who they thought should be punished. People, who think fear, lies, exaggeration and doomsday statements and actions, will get people to start supporting them.

Good luck with that!   
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One of the best posts on the subject that I've seen Voyager Clap
Why do people think the cities of once great civilisations are now metres under the ground?
Climate with never stop changing & we must adjust, particularly in terms of water supply but governments slumber untill it's too late e.g.Cape Town now & San Paolo not long ago who were saved by heavy rains, the former won't be so lucky, having peaked at their long term forecast.

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why do we need another thread on this ?
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i have terrific warnings re weather from other living things.

Ants tell you when there's rain coming .

I hope their not too long telling me about similar "Pending Pleasures"
       
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Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

why do we need another thread on this ?

why not. is very topical.

have seen several programs lately, Greenland etc, whereby their climate has changed to an extent that they are getting warmer clime fish to harvest, their pastures are grassier etc. some like it, some dont.

as gay said, adapt.

adaption happens all over the world; climate, super powers, political.....
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The climate change alarmists never really thought through their positions beyond basic political pandering.

The development of the western world has created perhaps irreversible climate change but the developing world will emit significantly more.

The logical conclusion to their assertions is the genocide of the developing world because they will refuse to not be allowed to develop and if they develop they'll destroy the earth.
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Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

why do we need another thread on this ?

Why, is the "science settled"?Embarrassed
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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The 11 cities most likely to run out of drinking water - like Cape Town

  • 11 February 2018

Cape Town is in the unenviable situation of being the first major city in the modern era to face the threat of running out of drinking water.

However, the plight of the drought-hit South African city is just one extreme example of a problem that experts have long been warning about - water scarcity.

Despite covering about 70% of the Earth's surface, water, especially drinking water, is not as plentiful as one might think. Only 3% of it is fresh.

Over one billion people lack access to water and another 2.7 billion find it scarce for at least one month of the year. A 2014 survey of the world's 500 largest cities estimates that one in four are in a situation of "water stress"

According to UN-endorsed projections, global demand for fresh water will exceed supply by 40% in 2030, thanks to a combination of climate change, human action and population growth.

It shouldn't be a surprise, then, that Cape Town is just the tip of the iceberg. Here are the other 11 cities most likely to run out of water.

1. S£o Paulo

Brazil's financial capital and one of the 10 most populated cities in the world went through a similar ordeal to Cape Town in 2015, when the main reservoir fell below 4% capacity.

At the height of the crisis, the city of over 21.7 million inhabitants had less than 20 days of water supply and police had to escort water trucks to sto more......

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-42982959

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What about Sydney!!!??? ... don't forget Sydney!Ermm
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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I'm glad you asked about Sydney because as far as the obvious solution goes..... we already got oneWink

The solution to Cape Town's water crisis is obvious - but it will cost us

12 February 2018, 10:38

It is no secret that water is running out in Cape Town and that Day Zero is all but inevitable.

You just need to look at spending habits of Capetonians to see that this realisation has firmly set in. Gone are the 5 litre water containers from all major retailers. The same goes for hand sanitisers and paper plates. Good luck finding a Sputnik washing machine, Air-to-Water machine or a borehole supplier with less than a two-month waiting period.

Unlike the electricity crisis a few years back, which gave city folk a routine camping experience, complete with gas cookers, candles and cooler boxes, a long-term water shortage is no laughing matter.

And make no mistake, unlike the electricity crisis that saw load shedding for a few hours at a time, the water crisis is going to be more drawn out and intense. Once the taps go off it is going to be months before they come on again.

The first few weeks will feel like a bad camping experience where we all look at each other and regard the dirt and body odour as par for the course, but as the months roll over the rise in disease and "gatvolness" of the residence to queue every day for water is going to reach a boiling point.

The recent push-back of Day Zero is nothing to celebrate. This is only possible because the agriculture sector is being deprived of water when they need it most, in the heat of summer. The knock-on effect to food prices in the next few months is only going to aggravate people more.

The only viable, long-term solution to the water crisis is large-scale desalination. This has been proposed many times and is continually shot down due to high capital outlay and that it may become a white-elephant if the rain patterns return to normal.

What the opponents to large-scale desalination have not factored in is the following:

The DA in the Western Cape are a victim of their own success. Over the last number of years, the good governance in the Western Cape has seen the province swelling due to mass migration of people from other parts of the country, Africa and even overseas. All these new people need to drink, clean and toilet, and all these things require water.

Secondly, no new dams have been built in ages as the Western Cape population increased. But even if they had built more dams, a dam is still only as reliable as the rainfall it receives.

Agriculture and tourism in the Western Cape are major sources of income and are both growing exponentially each year.

While national and local government stick to the line that we would have been fine if we reduced consumption, that is true to an extent, but if you follow that reasoning to its logical conclusion, at the rate of growth of the city, we will all end up with a cup of water ration per day and will be told to be grateful. For a tangible picture of this scenario, watch the film, The Martian, where Matt Damon’s character must exist on an ever-shrinking potato supply to stay alive.

Thanks, but no thanks. I would prefer to live in a city where I can take a long luxurious shower or deep bath, swim in a clean bright pool and see lush green grass and plants all around me, where both the residence and the farmers have an abundance of good fresh water.

Already big corporates and the rich are sorting themselves out. Tsogo Sun are building their own desalination so that paying guests can bath like there is no tomorrow. Others will truck water in from private companies. Money can make nearly any problem go away which will further divide rich and poor.

Large-scale desalination is not cheap, but could easily be funded in public private partnerships as they achieved in Israel, as per the Carte Blanche segment a few weeks ago. 

Per that segment, Israel faced the same water crisis ten years ago. They quickly realised that aquifers and small-scale desalination was not going to fix the problem and decided to bite the bullet and build large-scale desalination plants. The result? Ten years later there is more than enough water for everyone and the price of water is still affordable. 

Why do we not learn from history?

Even if the price per litre of water was doubled or tripled, most Capetonians would happily cough up if it meant keeping the taps on and allowing for pre-water restriction lifestyles.

People are already spending far more on water devices and the economy will lose far more when the taps are turned off.

Even if the rains return and we have an over-abundance of water, so what. We can then really go to town with agriculture expansion and even assist other provinces that are in need and do not have a coastline to draw from. It can also supply the poor with more water and enable water-based businesses to thrive.

As the Chinese proverb goes, "The best time to plant an oak tree was twenty years ago. The second-best time is today."

Please let those with the wherewithal to make this happen sit down and make it happen.

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/the-solution-to-cape-towns-water-crisis-is-obvious-but-it-will-cost-us-20180212

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Climate change or the great Hoax,   delusion = call it what you like.

We bring in 300000 new settlers every year and don't cater for their needs.

   Pipe water from the North ,   Build Dams .   

   Flannery will have all the answers=      More decalination plants.
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Wasn't Mr Abbott going to dam the Nth Qld rivers and pipe water to the southern capitals?

What happened, did he forget to do it or just another hollow Lib election lie promise?


Tony Abbott's dam solution for flooded rivers


TONY Abbott will develop a plan to build a series of dams around the nation, as part of the Coalition's policy platform for the next election.

The policy is aimed at reducing the impact of floods and boosting food security.

The Opposition Leader yesterday told The Australian he would announce a taskforce of senior Coalition frontbenchers charged with preparing a dam plan within 12 months. The plan would include potential locations for new dams and would build on the $500 million the Coalition promised at the last election to make water more available. "I just think it's a bit odd in a country with as many water issues that we've got that there have been virtually no dams built in the last two decades," Mr Abbott said yesterday.

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tell us pt....could it be like barnett in wa, who wanted to build a canal from the kimberlyes to perth, but couldnt get the support.

pt your into research, tell us why it didnt happen...dont leave it hanging.
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Just another bad faith corrupt Liberal govt Isaac. They should have spent some of the enormous royalties from the mineral boom, the biggest boom in history
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Or better still do what Norway did and set up a sovereign wealth fund that invests in infrastructure projects. Their's, as badly managed as it is accused of being, still has 1 Trillion dollars in it, a country one fifth our population. Mr Howard in his wisdom gave all ours away in tax cuts and concessions to the wealthy class. Vandalism
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CNNPT, or Mr Incredible (can't decide for now), you know that these projects are impossible.

Just like the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility, which has billions of dollars that they can't get out the door to help people, because they are blocked by the ALP/Green coalition, who wont allow them to use the money because it will adversely effect virtue signalling SJWs in inner city Melbourne, who think drinking water only comes from bottles anyway ...Dead




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I am not the one who promised them, your man Tones did. I think the desal is the best option as a backup, and we have them in southern states thanks to progressive thinking govts. I am glad you agreeThumbs Up
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thanks to *gullible govts.
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yea pt, perth has a few desal plants installed, makes up a large part of our water supply, even into under ground storage. dont rely on dams at all.

thanks to the forward thinking of liberal premier barnett.


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We don't think about water until the tap is turned off

On WA Afternoons with Gillian O'Shaughnessy

Cape Town has been making headlines for the wrong reasons recently and people around the world have been horrified by the prospect of the water being turned off as locals deal with an extreme water crisis. Rapid population growth, extended drought and limited water storage are some of the factors contributing to the situation residents now face.

According to Dr Ian Wright, Senior Lecturer in Environmental Science at Western Sydney University, there are some parallels between Perth and Cape Town in regard to climate but Perth dodged a bullet by turning to desalination and groundwater.

Ian says Perth is Australia's most water stressed capital city and Cape Town could learn much from the way the West Australian city responded.

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but didnt rudd give away our savings to all, when he came into power? only for it to flow to china anyway?
you could always move to china pt if you are so dissatisfied with australia......
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I will  just wait till China gets here thanks Isaac....shouldn't be long eh?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Just another bad faith corrupt Liberal govt Isaac. They should have spent some of the enormous royalties from the mineral boom, the biggest boom in history

the money was spent pt, is why labor is squealing now. 

and also eastern states are doing ok via gst distribution payments. 
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sure you are not a bot?
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

but didnt rudd give away our savings to all, when he came into power? only for it to flow to china anyway?
you could always move to china pt if you are so dissatisfied with australia......

Rudd's stimulus payments whether they be $600 cheques or school halls or pink batts were one off payments to stimulate the economy, the Howard super concession ant tax cut gifts to the wealthy were structural and we are still paying $30-40B every year to maintain
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You must admit you didn't support many Abbott proposals.
You ran him out of town.    As you did to the LNP Qld Premier and now Donald Trump.
   Your fault PT we have no water.   ( Coming from decalination plants )
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I like to think I was on the right side of history and at the pointy end of  running Tones out of office maxie, but I was persuaded by our mutual friend Scamanda in an ancient but fabulous thread, that damming has some merit and gave him a pass on that. I think Scamanda wrote the book on extremely obscure watercourses in central Qld so we had to defer to his expertiseSmile
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