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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Just letting you know that your mates in the Kremlin, the ones you continually apologise for when bagging your own country, are doing it better than anyone else, but just keep your head where it is and go la, la la and pretend it really isn't happening. 


no one bags australia more than someone who cant stop spewing hatred towards white males and christians. what percentage of oz have you regarded as dog sh*t in those vile sweeping comments PT?

you admit russians are doing it better than us. time we lift our game then. is that your point?

Im not pretending nothing is happening. did you skip past "all countries spies on esch other" .

post some links to usa spying and hacking the russians. or will you say it hasnt happened?
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It is all about who does it whom, and who you would rather be governed by.

By your bizarre reasoning, ISIS is justified in what they do, that if we drop bombs on the Middle East for whatever reason they are justified in doing it here.


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It is all about who does it whom, and who you would rather be governed by.

By your bizarre reasoning, ISIS is justified in what they do, that if we drop bombs on the Middle East for whatever reason they are justified in doing it here.




all countries accept the whole spying caper.

pathetic false equivalence. even by your follish conflated, confected & deflected standard.
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So everyone that spies on the USA should cease and desist, but the USA should be allowed to carry on regardless. It is laughable, as is the stuff about Russian interference in the US election, when any fool knows the US has been interfering in the internal politics of other countries for many years, and to the extent of financing coups and the like, frequently installing repressive regimes.
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Oh deary me, are you outraged? 
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i'l sum up your pathetic ridicularity like this.

russia were spying on the usa under obama. and you didnt give one fcuk.

the end.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

So everyone that spies on the USA should cease and desist, but the USA should be allowed to carry on regardless. It is laughable, as is the stuff about Russian interference in the US election, when any fool knows the US has been interfering in the internal politics of other countries for many years, and to the extent of financing coups and the like, frequently installing repressive regimes.

Should we just submit and let them have a turn at running the world?

Sorry, I am happy with the way it is now. 
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You are sounding like a white, privileged hegemonist, PT. I think any spying by Russia would have little to do with ambitions to run the world, and more to do with preserving their present stake in it.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You are sounding like a white, privileged hegemonist, PT. I think any spying by Russia would have little to do with ambitions to run the world, and more to do with preserving their present stake in it.


he has boasted about his white privelegw under the usa running the world mantra whilst mercilessly obliterating other countries who even look like they might undermine a smidgen of usa power.

all the while pt kicks the tripe out of any other white bastard who might be enjoying the same life. they are priveleged, pt is not.

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Which is why they have taken over control of the Syrian war, done defense/arms deals with Turkey and Saudi Arabia(both US allies) this week?
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The Red Scare, on reflection, to anyone who lived through the period, appears largely a beat-up. Certainly the USSR was a far more potent adversary than present day Russia, in terms of any expansionism it may attempt. It remains a deadly threat to anyone who would encroach on its present territorial integrity, but beyond that, no. And especially as Russia today is not the base of a threatening (anti-capitalist) ideology.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Which is why they have taken over control of the Syrian war, done defense/arms deals with Turkey and Saudi Arabia(both US allies) this week?


you can sleep with the lights on waiting for the russians to blow you up. and of course checking uder your bed before ni nights.

im much more fearful of islamic terrorism. after all, the agencies you put so much trust and respect in to keep us safe...have said they cant keep us safe. a terrorist attack will happen in sydney and they wont be able to stop it.

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PT may be channelling B A Santamaria !
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he is off his chops today ol pt.

but im sure you get what his underlying point is here...its not vlad and russia. its a way of crucifying trump.

he doesnt hide his idiotic agendas too well.

as i said...where was pt's deep seated, shat your pants fear of russian spies when obama was president. there wasnt any. tells you everything

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I know you are only trolling, because that is what you do. Wink
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Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know you are only trolling, because that is what you do. Wink


Ok i was trolling. i retract and correct --

every country has spies and spies on each other. but russia should never be included because to allow them to join in means the world will end.

there ya go. All good 👍
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.

What does that have to do with Russian hacking?Confused
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Not only hacking and cyber attacks but investment in “troll farms”. Never even heard of that term until just recently.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.


What does that have to do with Russian hacking?Confused

Russian hacking is an intrusion into the security apparatus of another sovereign nation, American intrusion into the affairs of sovereign nations is on a far greater scale. Such that the murder of "nuisances" like Gaddafi can be publicly greeted with glee, and thought just normal business.
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Which is why they have taken over control of the Syrian war, done defense/arms deals with Turkey and Saudi Arabia(both US allies) this week?

Whose example might they be following, do you think ?
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.


What does that have to do with Russian hacking?Confused

Russian hacking is an intrusion into the security apparatus of another sovereign nation, American intrusion into the affairs of sovereign nations is on a far greater scale. Such that the murder of "nuisances" like Gaddafi can be publicly greeted with glee, and thought just normal business.


Their is better examples of usa destruction and overthrowing democratic elected govts. i asked pt why he approved of usa mass murdering latin american, democratic countries with SOCIALIST govts running them.

his reply?

"But we dont know what those countries would have turned out like" .

no white privelege, far right wing, war mongering rhetoric in that reply. nah none...

Hypocrite.
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No max, cyber warfare is the exploding threat to the world's financial, security, national security. 

Who hacked the Australian census last year and why?

You are ok with Russia doing it, but what about North Korea? They are fast becoming the best at it with many successful attacks on banks around the world and particularly cryptocurrencies.

If Nth Korea can be a threat to global systems, who can you exclude as a major threat?

A global arms race is on at the moment with not the size and capability of weapons systems being the critical factor, rather anti hacking of weapons systems. USA with all it's firepower is in danger of being crippled by a minor country with better hackers. 
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Whats the answer to all this pt?
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PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.

Name one empire, colonial, or religious power that has not attained supremacy by not intervening, interfering or conquering. It comes down to who you want controlling your life and future.


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No max, cyber warfare is the exploding threat to the world's financial, security, national security. 

Who hacked the Australian census last year and why?

You are ok with Russia doing it, but what about North Korea? They are fast becoming the best at it with many successful attacks on banks around the world and particularly cryptocurrencies.

If Nth Korea can be a threat to global systems, who can you exclude as a major threat?

A global arms race is on at the moment with not the size and capability of weapons systems being the critical factor, rather anti hacking of weapons systems. USA with all it's firepower is in danger of being crippled by a minor country with better hackers. 

To the winner, the spoils. It just shows that humans are still organized principally along competitive battle-lines, of one kind or another, but still co-operative where it is in the mutual interest, as e.g., with trade. The game is fundamentally the same.
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