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Carioca
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Bit of fruit for the sideboard PT.
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Passing Through
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Thanks but just a couple of grapes for the sideboard carioca. Jury still out for me.
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Lord Hybrow
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So PT what’s the word on your boy today at Morphettville?
Will he bounce back to the winners circle ?
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Passing Through
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They are not fully convinced he is back yet LB, hence the keeping at these shorter trips.
Leon was disappointed with last start just grinding after presenting to win.
All going well today he will step up to 1400m or so next start. |
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Carioca
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Good luck anyhow mate .
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Passing Through
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Thanks mate.
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Passing Through
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His breathing betrayed him on Saturday. Will be freshened and restricted to 1200m races.
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djebel
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When does a horse get a chance to take a breath over 1200m ?
Good luck with him but it sounds like he needs a proper operation and starting again. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Passing Through
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He had a tie back operation.
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Gay3
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djebel, they take a breath every stride! All wind ops are still very hit & miss, we only hear of the successes & even then connections state the need to let them run so as not to restrict the airways.
Every time someone asks about it on social media, about 80% of respondents with 1st hand experience say "Don't bother". |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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djebel
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If you follow jumps racing in the UK every second champion jumper over there has had a wind operation of one sort or another. They do not seem to have any trouble running a long distance over there after such operations.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Second Chance
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Sorry djebel, you're talking absolute nonsense.
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Hello Sunshine
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The horse is a roarer djebel. Look it up.
Your post is quite funny sounds, yes they are noisy proper op? a bullet and start again? get another horse? Is why tongues are tied and nosebands applied usually to try to prevent the scourge. |
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djebel
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How the kiss am I talking absolute nonsense ?
Ill knowledge like them having superior trainers, I will assume they have superior vets. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Hello Sunshine
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Not pleasant experiences for any man or beast. flipped palate, plugs the windpipe. Trainers who say that a horse “swallowed his tongue” or “flipped his palate” are also referring to this misalignment of soft structures in the horse's throat near the larynx. ... A loud choking or gurgling sound and a sharp decrease in exercise intensity are signs that the palate has become displaced
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Hello Sunshine
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Another quite funny post djebel.
A "renowned" australian vet did wind ops quite extensively in England before coming back to Aus. Dr Tom Ahern Over the past 30 years, long-serving equine veterinarian Dr Tom Ahern has been sought out world-wide for his innovative throat surgery that has literally breathed new life into racehorses across the globe, however he feels that the involvement of the pharynx in breathing issues is still quite confusing to many industry participants. The experienced surgeon hopes to educate trainers, owners and his colleagues alike with the aim of promoting the procedure he developed, the oral palatopharyngoplasty, which is currently only performed by a handful of vets around the globe due to the often-reported high degree of technical difficulty and the potential to permanently damage the airway. Ahern’s surgical journey began when he graduated veterinary school in Sydney in 1978 before landing a job in Perth. A short time later and his revolutionary operation was unexpectedly born within his first decade of practice. He first published his surgery in 1992 before publishing the theories behind the procedure, titled ‘Pharyngeal dysfunction during exercise’, in the United States seven years later. The operation was founded after renowned late trainer Peter ‘Porky’ Graham, a client of Ahern’s, approached him in the 1980s regarding a horse who had previously won a race but had since been banned from racing after refusing to jump from the barriers in races or trials. “Porky said to me, ‘we’ve got to do something about this horse’,” Ahern said. “I just laughed and said, ‘I’m not a psychiatrist!’ “Then he replied with, ‘no, I think it’s a physical issue and he’s struggling to breathe because I had a noseband and tongue tie on, which worked for a while, but now he’s refusing’.” Ahern was of the opinion that the available surgeries at the time were a waste so, in an attempt to satisfy the trainer, he said he would try to think of a different approach. As he reflects on the events leading to the creation of the ground-breaking surgery, Ahern recalls a float arriving at his practice 10 days after his conversation with Graham and a grey horse being unloaded. “I asked what horse it was and they said, ‘it’s Porky’s horse, he said to do whatever you’d thought of’,” he said. “So, I went home that night to do some serious thinking.” That evening, Ahern recalled having seen the beginning of numerous horses’ palates billow noticeably when intubating them through the throat and decided to focus on that area, rather than the opposite end where traditional procedures were being performed. After experimenting with the tightening of the region in order to reduce the palate billowing, Ahern was pleasantly surprised to see it ultimately resolve the horse’s issues. “That horse ended up racing again and won eight or nine races,” Ahern said. “That was my first and biggest lesson in understanding the association between altered behaviour and breathing issues. “After that it was a matter of trial and error, as is the case with developing any new procedure. “Since then, I’ve done thousands of surgeries in a dozen countries and horses have won stakes races everywhere. “In Europe, patients have won the English Derby, Golden Jubilee Stakes and the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, and most stakes races in WA have been won at least once by my patients and sometimes three or four times. “These days, the procedure is presented in all the major equine surgery textbooks around the world and it’s essentially regarded as a form of plastic surgery, like the human equivalent, as there are often only millimetres between success and failure.” Ahern concedes that the common mentality towards throat surgeries is largely dismissive due to the varied success of traditional procedures, such as laryngeal surgery, otherwise known as a ‘tie-back’. However, he makes mention that there are up to 30 different variations and combinations of throat operations performed on horses, which must be assessed individually. His own procedure is yet to undergo critical assessment as other surgeons have struggled to reproduce it but, in 1993, one of the many research articles that have been published by Ahern found his operation to result in successful race performances in 75 of the 100 horses across three states that were used in the study. According to Ahern, since returning from the United Kingdom in 2008 the surgery has resulted in 420 individual winners of at least 1,200 races on WA tracks alone, averaging out to approximately two wins each week. Successful patients include Railway Stakes winners Machine Gun Tom and Welcome Knight, as well as current Ascot 1200m track-record holder, Danny Beau, but Ahern said he couldn’t name other patients for reasons of client confidentiality. “A horse is an obligate nasal breather, meaning they are designed to only breathe through their nose, as they need to be able to eat and run if suddenly confronted with a predator,” Ahern explained. “However, if for whatever reason the horse feels that this nasal supply is inadequate, then it can cheat by sneaking some emergency air through its mouth.https://www.waracingtrainers.com/the-ahern-procedure-vet-hopes-to-educate-on-breathing-issues/ |
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Hello Sunshine
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They are not robots djebel
racehorse ownership is fraught with danger mostly to the hip pocket.
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Hello Sunshine
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Hey djebel
does this make me one of your superior trainers ? My horse placed in the Perth Cup over 3200m after a trapped epiglotis op. Look that one up
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djebel
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I would have thought the above article is more in my favour rather than those simply rubbishing me.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Carioca
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" Porky Graham " had Bob Peters as a client long long time ago , racings scallywag , hope he paid Tom.
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Hello Sunshine
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I posted it so you could educate yourself.
That is all.
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djebel
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It certainly educated me.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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Are you surprised???
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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I think you'll find you lost credibility years ago on here mate. Sorry.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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Oh here we go - getting emotional once again. Remember....facts and facts only......and no emotion...
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Carioca
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Your blindsiding the man now Jamal , play the ball if you have any knowledge , may even stop your trolling .
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Lord Hybrow
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2nd up in R7 at Morphettville Parks today.
2 wins from 3 starts when 2nd up. 3 wins from 8 starts at Mville Parks circuit. Any word from the stable on his prospects today Passing Through?
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Passing Through
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Hi LH. More hope than anything. Stubby is replaced again. Thought that if he was ''saving himself'' his familiarity with one rider was not helping. He is fast running out of excuses and chances. This was Andrew's report.
He does have a few things in his favour - has a great record on this track and distance and he has won 2 races 2nd up. There looks to be a bit of pace in the race - Caitlin Jones will ride (she rides him a lot in work) and she will be positive out of the gates and we will then leave it up to her to slot in where she can. There does look to be good pace in the race - a couple will want to hold their forward position from the inside and a few are likely to roll forward from out wide. Hopefully Caitlin can slot in with some cover - it may be a little tricky from barrier 8. CLICK HERE for Leon Macdonald's audio report from this morning. So You Can worked well on Tuesday and Leon expects him to run a good race - lets hope he has some luck in running. He looks an each way chance in what looks to be an even and pretty competitive race. |
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Lord Hybrow
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He’s been racing quite well this time in but looks like Shelly Hancox & the syndicate are cashing out of this guy.
He’s listed on the latest Inglis auction - opening bid at $600.
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Lord Hybrow
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Having his first start for new owners today in R4 at Mount Gambier over 1200m. He’s currently $4 equal fave for the race on Tab fixed odds.
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