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    Posted: 07 May 2019 at 9:19pm
A couple of thoughts for mating decisions for coming breeding season. Of the top 50 sires on the 2018-2019 season has the following revelations.
1. 38/50 or 76% are Aust/NZbred
2. Of the other 12 stallions, 3 are dead and unavailable
3. Of the other 9 stallions who have imported suffix none are returning any time soon if ever.
With stats like that why does anyone go to a shuttle stallion or an imported stallion period.
Anyone got an opinion?
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To catch the NEW sales ring buzz

thats all.. fresh sires havent yet got a stink of failure on them
Now having passed 1000 posts I feel you are all so much the wiser for my having said... stuff!
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I can see what you are getting at, but my point is “why send mares to the latest group of unproven shuttle stallions just because the big end of town says this and that will be the next best thing.” Chances are they will all fail to some extent.
I used Zoffany in his third season shuttling and bred 2 colts who are both multiple winners and have covered their costs at yearling sales and again covered their costs of purchase at same yearling sales.
I personally would send an appropriate mare to Zoffsny if they shuttled him again.
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

I can see what you are getting at, but my point is “why send mares to the latest group of unproven shuttle stallions just because the big end of town says this and that will be the next best thing.” Chances are they will all fail to some extent.
I used Zoffany in his third season shuttling and bred 2 colts who are both multiple winners and have covered their costs at yearling sales and again covered their costs of purchase at same yearling sales.
I personally would send an appropriate mare to Zoffsny if they shuttled him again.

Go have a look through the sire table and it's pretty obvious why. The majority of the top stallions in Australia are by international Stallions.

The top 15:
Snitzel - All Aus
I Am Invincible - By Invincible Spirit (International)
Street Cry - International Stallion
Fastnet Rock - By Danehill (International)
NASD - All Aus
Sebring - By More Than Ready (International)
Redoute's Choice - By Danehill (International)
High Chapparal - International Stallion
Lonhro - All Aus
Pierro - All Aus
Written Tycoon - All Aus
Lope De Vega - International Stallion
Teofilo - International Stallion
Exceed and Excel - By Danehill (International)
Smart Missile - All Aus

So out of the top 15 stallions;
6 are Australian stallions by Australian stallions. 
4 are imported stallions/shuttlers.
5 are Australian bred, by shuttlers/imported stallions.
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Imported stallions have some importance to introducing new lines.  Unfortunately when a Danehill etc appears everything comes out with that same sireline ect.

Also you can't just say International Stallion.  Those Australian breed sires by an International Stallion have a complete story behind the female line also.  Sebring has the Flying Spur/Luskin Star and imported mare Elsie 1887 line behind him.  Elsie being the same line as Baguette who also performed well at stud.

I am Invincible is from the 1n female line decending from imported Simper 1912.  That 1n family is great for producing good stallions ie HIgh Chaparral, Zeditave, Heroic among others.  Then he is out of a Canny Lad mare with Cardinal and Royal Artist also close up.  Very out there pedigree but one that has upgraded everything in sight.

Fastnet Rock is from the Gerwyn 1943 female line and and like many of the others has Biscay sitting in the pedigree.  Biscay was speed on legs so maybe that is important also. Also you find Marauding for a line of Sir Tristram (also an imported line but one we should try to keep going through the Lonhro branch)

Redoute's Choice hasn't the old Australasian family of the above but is also out of a Canny Lad mare.

Not so strangely the above also suggest the Golden Slipper is also still having a say in our performing stallions.  Canny Lad, Marauding, Flying Spur, Luskin Star, Sebring, Pierra, Vain, Marscay all appear in the stallions listed.  
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The internationals do pretty well for only 20-odd spots across the country.
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

A couple of thoughts for mating decisions for coming breeding season. Of the top 50 sires on the 2018-2019 season has the following revelations.
1. 38/50 or 76% are Aust/NZbred
2. Of the other 12 stallions, 3 are dead and unavailable
3. Of the other 9 stallions who have imported suffix none are returning any time soon if ever.
With stats like that why does anyone go to a shuttle stallion or an imported stallion period.
Anyone got an opinion?


Unproven international shuttling stallions for me are a better as a breed to race option.

You can enter the market with racing credentials equal to Aus Stallions for 50% sometimes more less than their Aus counterparts.
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Unproven shutters IMO are coming out here primarily for the stud to get as many progeny on the ground as possible , make a profit and, if they don’t come up to scratch HERE in Aust sell them off to a third world or at least a backward country, never to be heard of again,
Personally I have used Zoffany as stated above, and also Refuse to Bend, interestingly both were Champion 1st season sires in UK. Both failed with their 2yo’s here and did not return. We now appreciate both to have been handy middle market stallions.
Your point is taken that some of the stallions on the list were by shuttle stallions, but those sires of sires are/were proven .
As an exercise, how many shuttle stallions have come to Aust in the last decade and how many of those no longer shuttle and indeed hoe many have been ditched by the NH stud owners?
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

I can see what you are getting at, but my point is “why send mares to the latest group of unproven shuttle stallions just because the big end of town says this and that will be the next best thing.” Chances are they will all fail to some extent.
I used Zoffany in his third season shuttling and bred 2 colts who are both multiple winners and have covered their costs at yearling sales and again covered their costs of purchase at same yearling sales.
I personally would send an appropriate mare to Zoffany if they shuttled him again.


Zoffany  euthanized at age 13 owing to liver failure.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/245565/notable-sire-zoffany-euthanized
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