Ef Troop

Sunline wrote: Shawy38 wrote: Yeah but they do the same amount of work is what I’m saying There is no difference to a training schedule in regard to official trial or jump out. If that was the case, you wouldn't have them in jurisdictions where ample trials are available e.g. NSW and QLD. I've owned horses for many years, and many trainers use a jump out as the first key piece of work prior to progressing to a trial(s) and then race.  Again, you wouldn't do that if they are identical to a trial. As an example, some horses are barely out of a hold in a jump out - in fact for many horses that's the case due to the early stage of the prep. In a trial, while you can be held up, they generally go at a stronger pace and often for a longer distance. In Ef Troop's case, he was always going to a trial, and only went to a jump out because of the risk that Deagon trials were washed out with stormy weather. Again, that wouldn't have been the case if it was simply six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I’ve been involved with my local race club since 1976. The jumpouts we have are the exact same as the official trials we have(rare occurrence) Weiry normally sends 60-70 horses to each jumpout we host along with the stack of small time trainers in our area and they all work the same as to what they would do if they were to send them in to town to trial (normally Cranbourne) trhe only difference with our official trials is that the results are put on the horses record. Nothing else is any different.
I’m sure Ef Troop would of been worked at home the same he had been all prep, using the fact he hasn’t done any official trials as an excuse is ridiculous

In NSW jump outs....correct me....nobody checks the registration papers of horse....deception can occur?

RED HUNTER wrote: In NSW jump outs....correct me....nobody checks the registration papers of horse....deception can occur?

In Victoria they are all checked and you must have your racing ID card
Why on earth would you have a ring in at a jump out anyway? You can’t bet on them. That’s weird

we used to have unregistered picnic races once a year near here , on private property, and it was a big day, with all sorts of other things happening as well, and during the day about 6 races, ( we even had proper barriers ), and some horses went round 2 or 3 times. 
i can tell you many a  "proper " racehorse from various country and 1 provincial track "barrier trialled" at these days  Cost less to enter here than it did to trial at Newie.  Small prize money on offer as well.  I noted many brands and looked up each horse after, and in some cases made a tidy little profit on them when they raced on proper tracks. 
Thats just by the by .

acacia alba wrote: we used to have unregistered picnic races once a year near here , on private property, and it was a big day, with all sorts of other things happening as well, and during the day about 6 races, ( we even had proper barriers ), and some horses went round 2 or 3 times.  i can tell you many a  "proper " racehorse from various country and 1 provincial track "barrier trialled" at these days  Cost less to enter here than it did to trial at Newie.  Small prize money on offer as well.  I noted many brands and looked up each horse after, and in some cases made a tidy little profit on them when they raced on proper tracks.  Thats just by the by .

There are people here AA who may not believe that we could bet up in the stands at Randwick when our babies were having their first or second trials, first lot sometimes were at Rosebery, bookies clerk up in the public stand thought he could get an earn out of the not so smart stable boys, we stitched him up good and proper, couldn't get on for much maybe ten bob, a quid, maybe two , max a fiver, oh so sweet , we knew , of course we knew, we virtually slept along side of them, but he kept coming back,