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Originally posted by puntingpatto puntingpatto wrote:

What job does attract the 'best' people?
I think that the majority of teachers do so because they have a passion for the subject they are teaching.
 
Life isn't perfect, and if all teachers were perfect then the students would be getting an unrealistic angle on life.
 
Just like their are bad bosses and good bosses, having a mix of good and bad teachers gets kids ready for life after school.

There was some report from the UN that rated Australia's educators as not being in the top ten in the developed nation but we are up there with the best in every other fields. Maybe it's not the quality of the teachers and rather the slow broadband speed? Yes there are good teachers but far too many free loaders.
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Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Originally posted by Dichez Dichez wrote:

Originally posted by regal_roller regal_roller wrote:

 
Pazman- what do you do for a living may I ask?? I ask because I'd doubt anyone wants to see you interviewed and you many not get the chance to tell anyone.
 
 
 
I read a post where Paz said he was selling insurance in outback NSW,, or was that ANOTHER lie

RR just for you - I do some specialised underwriting work but I am mainly a fabricator, I am in the fabrication business. I design and project manage the fabrication of hydrocyclones for the mining industry.

Good luck with fatherhood.
 
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Originally posted by MannyG MannyG wrote:

Hmm I'm actually playing a gig for the camperdown footy/netball clubs this Saturday night. Don't suppose you will be there roller?
 
I may wander along for a few soups
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Originally posted by regal_roller regal_roller wrote:

First horse I ever won a stack of money on when I followed him right through the spring one year. Backed him first up and followed him all the way to his 5th (?) in the Cox Plate but never came back the same
 
Pazman- what do you do for a living may I ask?? I ask because I'd doubt anyone wants to see you interviewed and you many not get the chance to tell anyone.
 
It is well known that teachers get a lot of holidays every year- and yet there is still a shortage of them. There are a lot of people whinge about the holidays- but if you want all these holidays why not be a teacher or stop whinging. Everyone has had several teachers teach them just about everything they know, although from the constant non-sensical dribble I'm not so sure you ever had a teacher- maybe you just picked up your broken English from others in your commune
 
Good luck with the baby - be good to have a year off on maternity leave.
 
It was interesting to hear you say that the education system is rooted. I am not knocking teachers but rather the union culture of the profession. Like you said the kids are smarter than their teachers who gain barely a high school pass to learn to teach. What profession deters performance based pay? A good teacher gets payed the same as one that goes through the motion?
 
A good teacher will rise up the payscale faster though and end up a principal or department head and get paid a lot more than aregular 9-4 teacher.
Obviously, I'm not taking maternity leave and my girlfriend gets 14 paid weeks of leave, but will then stay at home, unpaid, to ensure the baby gets a good family upbringing, and not be raised in a germ-infested child care being run by a kindergarten teacher-dropout.
 
I agree with your comments regarding the union culture of teaching, but I am lucky to be in a very non-union school down here so I'm not exposed to it as much. The schools in more urban areas, and the hirachy of people in office roles are very union minded thogh and I beleive it is holding back the profession from being more respected in the community
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roller, well done on the little one. tough gig being a teacher.

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Great stuff Kanga, really good idea this and great to get to know our forumites a bit better! Big fan of Halls Gap too, Roller, that's a place I like to get to from time to time, hire out a house and have a few hundred drinks with my mates!
Istidaad kicking strongly, he's 2 lengths clear, Crawl gets out from a well back and old Mustard is grinding home... Hang on, Treasury Notes gets out from the back and she'll blouse them all!
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Great read Kanga, just a fabulous idea & I look forward to the next installment.
Nice to meet you Roller and best of luck with the baby - I trust we'll get a photo on here when the happy event occurs Clap
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Thanks everyone- the village be be the first to know when the new draft pick/cox plate winning jockey/girl arrives
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Ha Ha so judging on your comments you are hoping for a boy?

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Originally posted by regal_roller regal_roller wrote:

Originally posted by MannyG MannyG wrote:

Hmm I'm actually playing a gig for the camperdown footy/netball clubs this Saturday night. Don't suppose you will be there roller?

 

I may wander along for a few soups


Ah good stuff. Apparently it's at the "old picture theater". Whatever that means. If you wander down make sure you come say hi, I'll let you guess which one of the band I am :p

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Very interesting and entertaining Kanga and Roller Smile.
Sister was a teacher for 25 years, gave it up last year, at age 50, to sell coffee machines. After the bullying, bashings, stabbings, (1 murder), property damage (and that's at the private schools) she'd finally had enough. The other sister is in Health-Care (Midwifery) so l know your'e on the money with your comments Roller.
Congratulations with the Rollette that's due soon. Thumbs Up
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Nice ice breaker Roller..

Best of luck to all three of you..
 
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Great interview.
As far as teaching is concerned (550 calendar days to go...not that I'm counting!):
If you judge teachers and teaching by your experiences as a student..thirty, twenty, even ten years ago..then you have no idea.
The changes over the last 29 years have been rapid and profound.
As far as the Teachers are concerned:
Rapidly rising average age (55 in NSW) sees a tiring workforce in what is primarily a young person's game.
Older teaching force that is not technology 'adventurous' sees a  widening technology gap between teachers and students.
Older teaching force sees most staffroom conversations revolving around retirement plans/options and the maze that is superannuation.
New teachers are in my experience as good as and as keen as new teachers were in my early days.
The Students:
This is where the greatest change has taken place and the goalposts have not only moved but in many cases been removed.
The number of students who come from struggling single parent, conflicting blended families, dysfunctional households and unsupportive situations has increased incredibly over the last 20 years.
While coping with poor family support those same students are pounded from all sides by the media to look a certain way, behave a certain way(general disrespect for all authority figures....parents, police, teachers, etc) and possess certain things. The failure to do so leads to poor self image and low self esteem that is exhibited as bullying, acting out and deliberate apathy.
Teachers cop the backwash of this in every class every day.
Remember too that there is no practical discipline method available.
Suspensions and detentions are seen as holidays and irritations with a degree of 'cred' attached to serial suspensions.
Parents are 'too busy' to discipline the kids and anyway "that's your job!"
Kids run off to the Counsellor over the slightest incident which sees their failure to confront issues escalate.
School executive are under pressure from the Hierarchy and the Media to "keep kids at school" to the detriment of those keen on learning.
Anyone who claims that teachers get plenty of holidays should consider that "aging" teacher force who are 'burning out' at a rapid rate. I would love to see the 'sickie' rate for teachers over 50 at the moment. Throw in Long Service Leave and there is a real crisis coming.
Wages are ordinary when I'm making only $15K more than my students who finished Uni only 4 years ago and are in the C'th Public Service. I could be making more but I would have to stop teaching and become an administrator which defeats the whole point somewhat.
Anyone who wants to complain about teachers can come and sit in my classroom for a week.
As far as Unions are concerned...next time you get a pay rise Roller have a real good look where it came from....when a kid accuses you of something as a result of a dare or just plain maliciousness..see who backs you up....when you develop some work related health problem...see who supports you.
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Great call imo Mick.
 
Just about expresses the sentiments of friends who spent decades in teaching, though most have retired over the last 5 or so years.
 
It's certainly a pretty hard gig these days.
It's hard to soar with eagles...

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Good post Wmick..
 
Would also like to read the follow up post as to, apart from an appalling social cultural shift over the last decade, what can be done to improve the teachers lot..
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Well said WM.
If a delinquent psychopath is expelled he's sent to another school and you have to take one of theirs in exchange. And l heard of one teacher who was so stressed he layed on his lawn at night to get so sick he could take time off. That's the  support you get. Not to mention the poor pay relative to other professionals (and that goes for Nurses ).
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Yeah..don't fancy a nurse's or copper's lot.
All said and done though I do actually enjoy teaching.
Skipper's right with regards to the 'cultural shift'.
What to do about it?
I really don't know....and thats not for lack of thinking about/speaking about it.
Kids these days...I think Plato said the same thing a few thousand years ago...have a different perspective.
We were 'controlled' and often driven by fear which was used by our elders as a reverse incentive. Fear of punishment, fear of failure, fear of the future and many other fears both personal and societal were there to keep us 'in line' and 'encourage' us.
The kids I teach these days don't appear to have a these same fears or if they do so then they are certainly less evident.
On one hand you have to think this is a good thing.
Kids change courses, jobs, lifestyles often and with a minimum of fuss.
Their adeptness and comfort with technology and an acceptance of constant change and impermanence sees a totally different mindset to our traditional perspective.
We are still producing brilliant scientists(my nephew is currently on a Physics Scholarship to Oxford), lawyers(is this a good thing?), inventors( a good reason for free range thinking leading to creativity) and not Teachers (for a lot of reasons).
I have found that the high school kids I teach (in a country city) are more conservative in their views than we were but also very generous with their time and money when it comes to charitable causes and social problems.
Of course the 'bad' kids get all the press and our current media exploits it to their own advantage as much as possible and you don't get to hear about the 99.9% of good kids.
I'm pretty optimistic regarding the future as far as kids and education are concerned.
Whatever you do don't mention the word 'inclusion'..........

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I think we just found our THIRD interviewee!!!!!
 
WaggaMick you are next!!
 
But please keep your answers to 22 lines!! ha ha
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you might have to do a 3 part series
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WaggaMick mini series has a nice ring to it 
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I could be making more but I would have to stop teaching and become an administrator which defeats the whole point somewhat.

 
The better you get at teaching, the further you get away from the kids- Principals, Institute of teaching admin, catholic education office admin, uni lecturers etc etc etc
It seems the main goal of teachers is to get out of the classroom- when the ones that are out of classroom are the ones with the most eperience and often spruik themselves as the better teachers
 
 
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RR: Did you come down to the gig in the end? Was a pretty good night, those footy boys sure do like a drink. Also there certainly were a couple of nice fillies down there as well :P
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made a very brief appearance, had to get home to the missus as she has taken on Vesuvius-like proportions at the minute.
 
Didn't actually hear any of Manny's finest tunes but did cast my eye over the mounting yard and noticed a few fillies looking rather good.
 
Some tight chassis' but some loose skanks around to
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a loose skank with a tight chassis. MMM My favorite
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haha when you were 8 you got excited by a 3-level playground, when your older you get just as excited by a loose skank with a tight chassis
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