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    Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 12:48pm
The field looks pretty ordinary...no depth. Its a wonder Benbatle wasn't nominated for this race.

It just shows the lack of quality in numbers in Aussie racing at 2000m onwards. Its a shame thats for sure.

No I'm not having a go at Aussie racing...I love Aussie racing..but this year's Mackinnon field is disappointing.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Nothing wrong with the field.
Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want.
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Extra Brut to beat Latrobe
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Nothing wrong with the field.
Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want.


Nothing wrong with the field? There are no quality 2000m horses in the race.
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Field is okay. For a 2000m race.
In the middle of winter.
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Nothing wrong with the field.
Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want.


If he has come through Saturdayd slugfest fine he has the talent to win but why go to this race, give the horse a breather.


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$1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him
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Terrible field when you compare it to races like the Caulfield Stakes which are usually weaker. 
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

$1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him


The very essence of why our horses are kissed.


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

$1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him


The very essence of why our horses are kissed.


Djebel do you mean - high prize money races with low qualith fields?
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Question has to be asked..was it worth the trouble of moving the race to the final day. I liked the race on Derby Day
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I like the change.
1600 on Day 1
2000 on day 2

More horses should back up IMO
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I don't know why those horses took on Winx in the Cox Plate instead of coming here. Humidor, Benbatl, D'argento would have gone very close in this instead of getting broken by Winx. 
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Extra Brute lay of the year!

VERY WEAK DERBY!
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$5.50 Latrobe.
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Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

I don't know why those horses took on Winx in the Cox Plate instead of coming here. Humidor, Benbatl, D'argento would have gone very close in this instead of getting broken by Winx. 


Have those 3 all been spelled? Terrible race now.
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Ordinary field. Don't think Mickey Blue Eyes should be 3 times the price of Extra Brut, forget derby run, was caught behind those donkeys on fence, with same run as winner he would have been in finish. Didn't have a gutbuster, was basically not tested in straight..rough chance IMO
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Have they got mixed up and entered Latrobe in the wrong race? The QE is his race. surely.
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I was hoping they backed up Hartnell but obviously he felt the run last week.

Is there any reason why Blair House is not worth backing?
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Blair house wins with Latrobe running on
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This seems like a bit of a disastrous race to win for handicapping and La Trobe getting into the MC on a light weight... bizarre.. you would think Lloyd would be dodging the handicapper at every turn
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In the sprint race on Saturday...10 horses with a Timeform rating with 120 or more.

In the Mackinnon..only one horses with a Timeform rating of 120 or more
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There is about 7 horses that were being aimed at the Mackinnon that have been injured in lead up races. These things happen.
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They are an ordinary lot .

The struggling leader =Trap For Fools might run a race EW
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How many of these would have even been allowed to run in the Cox Plate? I'd think maybe only BLAIR HOUSE and LATROBE would have been guaranteed a run.  Naturally, Extra Brut is the late addition. 

This race was moved to encourage Cox Plate runners to back up, as it was losing it's zest as a Melbourne Cup leadup race, with the Internationals taking over that race. Now it looks like a lead-up race to the Sandown Classic.
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If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down


I would go the other way T.

I am not usually behind the VRC with their bullying tactics for spring and their single mindedness for their own carnival, but add 2 million to this, and make it the wfa championship to rival the Cox Plate.

Winx has saved wfa middle distance racing in Australia the last few years, but when she departs our tracks, we will be left with a very ordinary lot of wfa horses.

Just on this race, are we thinking Shillelagh can run the 2000m?   
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down


I would go the other way T.

I am not usually behind the VRC with their bullying tactics for spring and their single mindedness for their own carnival, but add 2 million to this, and make it the wfa championship to rival the Cox Plate.

Winx has saved wfa middle distance racing in Australia the last few years, but when she departs our tracks, we will be left with a very ordinary lot of wfa horses.

Just on this race, are we thinking Shillelagh can run the 2000m?   


I think if the stakes were raised to those levels you will get more international entries who will come and make the race not winnable for Australian based horses.

Given that there is no open Breeder's Cup turf race for most NH horses will opt to try the Breeder's Cup Classic over the  1 1/4 mile distance on the dirt - but the stakes of that are US$6 million.

Really, the race was an *institutional* lead up to the Melbourne Cup and should of been left in its place.

Tomorrow's race will bring out usual threads on the list like "How far would of Winx won if she was in the race??"

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To be honest Brudder, I could not care less about the owners or trainers or jockeys who complain that overseas horses will continue to come over and win our races.

If you want to support the racing industry, by buying speed bred horses, for a quick two year old return, there for, pushing the breeding industry towards a certain breeding model, then you deserve to not have a runner in the cup, or the derby or metrop or whatever the middle distance staying races are.

The last few Mackinnons have seen Tosen Stardom, Gailo Cho[p and Side Glance win. None of them were bred here, so it looks like NZ and Australian connections could not care any less about this race, and if that is the case then good luck to the overseas connections like Saeed and Charlie Appleby, etc.

I can also guarantee you that if this spring is any indication and we see more sprinter milers like Home Of The Brave, Jungle cat, Spirit Of Valour and others come down and start winning our sprints and mile races, then it will prove to our owners and breeders that they are doing a f#@king terrible job, when it comes to growing the quality of our racing stock.

But hey it has all been said before, and nothing has changed. Lets hope Fiorente and others can develop a good stallion record!
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Shillelagh is the interesting runner for me. Blair House is too short in the markets, if Shillelagh can get a nice sit and then have the last run at them she can figure. Not sure if the 2000m will dull her turn of foot. This is always a tricky race and an upset wouldn't surprise. 
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