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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VOYAGER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 9:03pm
Looks to be on the Puissance De Lune trail this spring, a light autumn and back for big races next year.

This is a good guide for this owner, as to how good they think the horse is, because the connections obviously feel he can carry the extra weight next year, by winning the Bendigo Cup and Queen Elizabeth this spring.

Has done everything right so far!
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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It is a monumental shame he is a gelding.



FURRION (GB)Brown gelding 2015 
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Montjeu
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Sadler's Wells
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Northern Dancer
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Giant's Causeway
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Storm Cat
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Mariah's Storm
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Rahy
Immense
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Helsinki
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Went from a 78 rating to 95 yesterday
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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Went from a 78 rating to 95 yesterday

I just watched every one of his races and he has perfect racing manners and tip top ability. He is going to race himself into a very high rating.

They have seriously missed the boat  by not having the Caulfield Cup on the radar.

He wins the Bendigo Cup and the Queen Elizabeth or what ever the final spring target is and he will be on 105+ when Summer comes along.

Are they also going to skip next autumn to save themselves for next spring ?

Lucky For All is another that is not entered for any of the Cups.

Our trainers are far too conservative with our staying prospects.

Rekindling was having his 10th start when winning the Cup. Sure he has not been seen since but at least he has a Cup on the board.




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He's still only an 'actual' 3yo I believe djebel, there's no need to gut him yet against older horses.
Allow him to furnish & mature & I'm sure he'll cope well with any increased weights.
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

He's still only an 'actual' 3yo I believe djebel, there's no need to gut him yet against older horses.
Allow him to furnish & mature & I'm sure he'll cope well with any increased weights.

He is the same age Rekindling was.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

He's still only an 'actual' 3yo I believe djebel, there's no need to gut him yet against older horses.
Allow him to furnish & mature & I'm sure he'll cope well with any increased weights.

He is the same age Rekindling was.



In fact he is a month older than what Rekindling was. Smile


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You'd know as well as any they all mature at different rates & shouldn't be forced.
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I agree should not be forced but he races in perfect formation doing everything right.

I think they are wasting a season for no good reason. 

We all know a week is a long time in racing. Anything could happen in the next 13 and half months.




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Should be winning again today. Clearly the best horse in the race
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Agree.
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Barrier one again. I can see it being sick bag material. If gets the slightest bit held up and best of days has got a full head of steam it's all over.
" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"
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Just too good.
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Had every right to lay down after copping a hip and shoulder on both sides but he just kept fighting.

Win of the day
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Looked to be stepping short after the race, hope he's ok.
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It was a great win and was holding the second horse on the line. Snagged the tri a few times with the roughy running third so can't complain.
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Paid up for the Cranbourne Cup on Sunday
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He looks a million bucks
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Callow bowled him over. Surely a protest?
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Just watching the replay, very inconclusive.
Don’t know what to make of it
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That is twice he has failed at 2000m.

I suspect he either does not stay or he is sick of racing by the time he gets to 2000m.

I'd freshen him up and nominate him for the Kennedy Mile. If he does not get a run so be it.




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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Callow bowled him over. Surely a protest?


I wish, I was on Sully....big tiime
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Ran okay but a little below his best. Either doesn't quite run 2000m or trained off.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

That is twice he has failed at 2000m.

I suspect he either does not stay or he is sick of racing by the time he gets to 2000m.

I'd freshen him up and nominate him for the Kennedy Mile. If he does not get a run so be it.



Agree - may have reached his level for now too. Leave it to the trainer to make that decision, he seems to get it right from time to time.

If not, maybe a bit longer in the paddock, and have a crack at the Villiers - lots of fun to be had with a 4 yo gelding if it turns out he's adept at the Randwick Mile.  

Whichever way they go, they were patient till now, don't want to be too greedy.
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They are going to push on to the Bendigo Cup.
Out in trip and a bigger track, seem to think that will be to his liking.
Would prefer he was to draw out a little, barrier 1 does not suit his style.
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

They are going to push on to the Bendigo Cup.
Out in trip and a bigger track, seem to think that will be to his liking.
Would prefer he was to draw out a little, barrier 1 does not suit his style.

Agree. Weiry’s horses are mostly trained to settle and run on. He seemed to race too keen at Cranbourne, leaving less in the tank at the business end. The Bendigo Cup has always been his Grand Final. We will find out if he stays then!
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