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They are doing their best to throw it away. 
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Australia is cooked
Be better off throwing it now, then coming out firing in the next test.
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Great fightback by the poms after that first innings.
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I expect the Aussie bowlers to regroup in the lunch break, comeback out and wrap this up by tea.
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Travis Head.  Brilliant fielding
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Head was fantastic when required with the Buttler run out.
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Ben Stokes is some player....
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Incredible.

Just Incredible.
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The British legal system can take plenty of credit.

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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Stokes is the key today.
If he hangs around we’re dusted


Nothing like a bit of self praise
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what a thrilling game - test cricket the best form of the game is alive and well
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What a finish! Credit where it’s due, Stokes played great (understatement)!
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Stokes is the key today.
If he hangs around we’re dusted


Nothing like a bit of self praise

well done.
didn't watch it but from what I heard Tim Paine's captaincy was ordinary, bring back Smith
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Whale, must agree, Paine would not be playing, let alone be captain, if Smith had not been suspended as captain. He has stuffed up numerous reviews, which, as wicketkeeper, he is should be in the best position to challenge the umpires' decisions. 
The umpires in this series would have to be the worst group I have ever seen,although in the past they were not subject to the same scrutiny as they are today, so maybe cricket umpiring was just as bad in the past, as technology is used to verify decisions in the current era.
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Does anyone else think that Cummings bowls way too short way too often?


I agree. The result being that most of his deliveries are too high to get an lbw decision. Now let me have a look at data to support my theory.

4.5% LBW in Test cricket


Is that good, bad, average? Seems extremely low to me. I will compare him to the greatest:

Lillee - 17.5%


Or someone more recent:

McGrath - 20.1





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The Aussies should all be sent to DRS review school because they are hopeless - don't have a clue.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

The Aussies should all be sent to DRS review school because they are hopeless - don't have a clue.




Either that or automatically review every decision. The umpires have been absolutely diabolical.
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Brett Lee - 14.2%
Mitchell Starc - 15.2
Jason Gillespie - 22.8%

Cummins lbw stats are dismal
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A few comments in the press on "captain" Paine's review and overall  the DRS


Australian captain Tim Paine’s failed gamble on a decision review cost his team a certain victory in the most dramatic finish to a Test match in recent memory.Paine reviewed a half-hearted shout from Pat Cummins that pitched outside legside and then, with Australia out of reviews, Nathan Lyon had a plumb shout turned down in yet another Joel Wilson umpire error. The Lyon shout should’ve removed Stokes for 131, delivering Australia a one-run Test victory. Paine said pre-game he had faith in Wilson to bounce back, but he didn’t 

re the lbw and the umpire - this is exactly what is wrong with sporting organisations world wide in relation to officials, total lack of accountability.  this umpire makes 8 wrong decisions in the first test, he should not have been sighted for the rest of the series.  Instead he is third umpire for the 2nd and gives a catch that most people would agree bounced.  the warning signs surely by now must be blaring, but no he still gets to umpire the 3rd, makes a number more wrong calls and completely misses a plumb lbw to decide the series.  easy to be critical of the reviews used, but no-one who is playing in these tests could have any faith in any of the umpires, and that is when reviews are burnt unnecessarily.  to have umpires set in stone for the three first tests as they have had is a mistake, and gives no flexibility to drop an under performing official,

 

 

DRS was brought in to avoid clangers. Yet because of the review system, around five this got through this match. Take reviews out of players hands. If the umpire thinks there is a chance of a wicket, he reviews it. Removes all doubts. And for those who say the DRS isn’t perfect, its far closer than Joel Wilson will ever be. Better to go with a technology system that may go wrong, rather than a human system that is clearly wrong on too many occasions.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The British legal system can take plenty of credit.

LOL ... I reckon Pell wishes he was an "allrounder"!Wink
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by marble marble wrote:

what a thrilling game - test cricket the best form of the game is alive and well
100%!Thumbs Up
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

A few comments in the press on "captain" Paine's review and overall  the DRS


Australian captain Tim Paine’s failed gamble on a decision review cost his team a certain victory in the most dramatic finish to a Test match in recent memory.Paine reviewed a half-hearted shout from Pat Cummins that pitched outside legside and then, with Australia out of reviews, Nathan Lyon had a plumb shout turned down in yet another Joel Wilson umpire error. The Lyon shout should’ve removed Stokes for 131, delivering Australia a one-run Test victory. Paine said pre-game he had faith in Wilson to bounce back, but he didn’t 

re the lbw and the umpire - this is exactly what is wrong with sporting organisations world wide in relation to officials, total lack of accountability.  this umpire makes 8 wrong decisions in the first test, he should not have been sighted for the rest of the series.  Instead he is third umpire for the 2nd and gives a catch that most people would agree bounced.  the warning signs surely by now must be blaring, but no he still gets to umpire the 3rd, makes a number more wrong calls and completely misses a plumb lbw to decide the series.  easy to be critical of the reviews used, but no-one who is playing in these tests could have any faith in any of the umpires, and that is when reviews are burnt unnecessarily.  to have umpires set in stone for the three first tests as they have had is a mistake, and gives no flexibility to drop an under performing official,

 

 

DRS was brought in to avoid clangers. Yet because of the review system, around five this got through this match. Take reviews out of players hands. If the umpire thinks there is a chance of a wicket, he reviews it. Removes all doubts. And for those who say the DRS isn’t perfect, its far closer than Joel Wilson will ever be. Better to go with a technology system that may go wrong, rather than a human system that is clearly wrong on too many occasions.


Last night highlighted that the system is flawed - reviews are only limited to keep the game moving, ostensibly for the sake of the sponsors - therefor they don't guarantee the right result, which would have been an Australian win.

The same as the "bunker" in NRL - they only review the final play for a try, not the previous play where the referee stuffed up that led to the try.

Either use the technology or don't.
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Went to be about 1pm last night after watching Stage 2 of the Vuelta. Flicked to the cricket & then to the live betting - Aust $1.12 / Draw 500/1 / Poms $12. Similar betting to when the ALP got knocked off in the last election. Your never home are you !
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Bad Umpire decisions ruin great games .

Terrific the Pom's effort.

     Australia Won the true game narrowly ----- Umpires a disgrace .
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TAB had England at $21 when the 9th wicket fell.

They said there was 1 bet of $50 taken at those odds.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

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<p ="msonormal"=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; -: initial; -: initial; -size: initial; -repeat: initial; -attachment: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial;">re the lbw and the umpire - this is exactly what is wrong
with sporting organisations world wide in relation to officials, total lack of
accountability.  this umpire makes 8 wrong decisions in the first test, he
should not have been sighted for the rest of the series.  Instead he is
third umpire for the 2nd and gives a catch that most people would agree
bounced.  the warning signs surely by now must be blaring, but no he still
gets to umpire the 3rd, makes a number more wrong calls and completely misses a
plumb lbw to decide the series.  easy to be critical of the reviews used,
but no-one who is playing in these tests could have any faith in any of the
umpires, and that is when reviews are burnt unnecessarily.  to have
umpires set in stone for the three first tests as they have had is a mistake,
and gives no flexibility to drop an under performing official,</span><o:p></o:p>



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<p ="msonormal"=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; -: initial; -: initial; -size: initial; -repeat: initial; -attachment: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial;">DRS was brought in to avoid clangers. Yet because of the
review system, around five this got through this match. Take reviews out of
players hands. If the umpire thinks there is a chance of a wicket, he reviews
it. Removes all doubts. And for those who say the DRS isn’t perfect, its far
closer than Joel Wilson will ever be. Better to go with a technology system
that may go wrong, rather than a human system that is clearly wrong on too many
occasions.</span>



Last night highlighted that the system is flawed - reviews are only limited to keep the game moving, ostensibly for the sake of the sponsors - therefor they don't guarantee the right result, which would have been an Australian win.

The same as the "bunker" in NRL - they only review the final play for a try, not the previous play where the referee stuffed up that led to the try.

Either use the technology or don't.




Every wicket decision should be reviewed as a matter of course. I mean, they review every time there is a close call on a boundary, what’s another few reviews a day? Only takes a short time anyway.

Every time someone given out = automatic review
Every time an appeal is given not out = let the fielding side have unlimited reviews. Most they probably won’t bother unless a close call.
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