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Gay3
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 12:30pm |
Racing officials suspect deadly sea snail venom used as illegal drugBy Adam Pengilly and Chris RootsA deadly venom found in sea snails which can paralyse fish within a second has emerged as the latest chemical suspected to have infiltrated horse racing, with authorities scrambling to organise testing for the powerful painkiller. Racing NSW and Racing Victoria integrity officials on Monday confirmed they had started screening for the mystery drug, which has subtypes known to be infinitely stronger than morphine. It can also be extracted to be used for therapeutic purposes on humans in the form of the conotoxin-based Prialt. Racing stewards have received intelligence that a form of sea snail venom has been imported into Australia and used to manage pain in horses suspected to have raced in both the thoroughbred and harness codes. It is unclear in which state the latest fad is said to have emerged, but the Herald understands multiple racing authorities have been tipped off about its use and developed laboratory testing to weed out those who have dabbled in the product. The substance is not entirely new to the industry and was understood to have been in use more than decade ago, but until recently had not again been on the radar of racing officials. It's understood to dissolve from a horse's system very quickly and can help numb any pain before heading to the racetrack. Sea snails are generally found in the bottom of the ocean in tropical climates. Racing NSW said it had the ability to retrospectively test stored samples for the substance. It hasn't yet confirmed any positive swabs stemming from the chemical. "When we get information we act on it and we have a screen for this drug now," Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys. "At the moment it is not a part of the normal screening process, but we have the ability to target it and test for it." RV executive general manager of integrity Jamie Stier confirmed his organisation had begun testing for the drug as part of its normal screening process. Australian scientists from several universities have previously been working on developing new pain relief drugs using the chemicals from sea snail venom, which can be administered when morphine is no longer sufficient. It has traditionally been hazardous to use on humans given the bad side effects it can induce, including hallucinations, memory loss and confusion. But it is seen as a future alternative for pain relief given it is thought to be less addictive than opioid-based painkillers. Researchers are hoping with more funding for trials conotoxins could be in clinical use within 10 years. Venomous sea snails have been known to kill the nervous system of fish almost instantly before they eat their prey. The suspected infiltration of the chemical into horse racing is the latest scourge for the industry, which earlier this year was rocked by the ban to Australia's most prolific thoroughbred trainer Darren Weir for possession of electrical shock devices. Victorian-based Weir was rubbed out for four years and is still the subject of an ongoing police investigation. Racing NSW stewards are also investigating the finding of human growth hormone (EPO) in a fridge at the property of Kembla Grange trainer Mick Tubman. He has been stood down from training. NSW Police have also charged a nurse from Wollongong Hospital with the alleged theft of EPO from the hospital. SEA SNAIL VENOM
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Lordy
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Can't wait for the first excuse for a positive swabs. "We take our horses to the beach so must have picked it up there".
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skippy123
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[QUOTE=Lordy] Can't wait for the first excuse for a positive swabs. "We take our horses to the beach so must have picked it up there".[/QUOT
Have to be a tropical area for that to apply... |
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animals before people.
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linghi11
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I’d say this miraculous snail has been everywhere! From Ballarat, Caulfield, Mornington and Euroa, to Rosehill, Warwick Farm and Randwick and Toowoomba. All those thoroughbreds who can barely canter in work and with pretrainers and then win races with their main trainers.
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Red Hare
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If the aim is for the stuff to be used on humans... what if it’s a better alternative than all of the bute & corticosteroids that everyone is so happy to use?
Would hate to stifle any advancement in vet care. Perhaps it is because the true cheaters rarely get their comeuppance, that we are so quick to judge those that are trying to extend the boundaries. |
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Second Chance
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No-one likes a cheat. So by all means identify the current cheats at Ballarat, Caulfield, Mornington, Euroa, Rosehill, Warwick Farm, Randwick and Toowoomba. Lest you otherwise implicitly damn every trainer at those venues.
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skippy123
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I don’t get the big deal- horses return positives to analgesics and anti inflammatories all the time and racing treats them as innocuous, they get fines for penalty....what is the difference
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Second Chance
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So you're just blowing the wind as expected. Cheers.
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skippy123
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Not at all.. I just find it strange that people picking and choosing between such compounds when historically racing does nothing for others with a similar/same effect.. Tell me what makes this one different? It’s (un)detectability? That it’s seemingly ‘new’? That it may be unregistered for use in horses? (I can list compounds that fit here) Adverse effects? Cheers |
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Gay3
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Firstly, Second Chance was replying to linghi, not you skippy.
This latest find is probably creating more of a hue & cry due to its' quoted pain killing capacity of 50 - 100 that of morphine, assuming the scientists are correct. The stronger the pain killing effects, the more chance 'cripples' have of racing, winning & catastrophically breaking down. The stuff has been on the performance enhancing radar 10yrs+ so I do wonder why it's taken this long for powers-that-be to announce they're testing for it Edited by Gay3 - 09 Jul 2019 at 7:25pm |
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skippy123
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No worries.... but my point does still stand- what works in humans may not in horses and vice versa... yes testing has been available for at least a decade (in horses too not just in humans) but I think peptides can be notoriously difficult to test for especially in urine.. I wonder if this new test is blood/plasma??? Edited by Gay3 - 09 Jul 2019 at 8:30pm |
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The difference skippy is that this is what kills horses on track. A bit lame racing - the horse saves itself. When it’s numb from these painkillers and runs like there’s no problem, the result can be quite tragic. Churning out cripples and paddock-unsound horses is not the way forward for this industry.
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Been on the radar for 12/15 years
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Not a new one
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acacia alba
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Well thats a bit sad, SA, that if you knew this gelati has been around forever but didnt say so ? Masking pain in horses so cripples can race,,and break down,,and fall ?? How many jockeys have suffered , given this isnt a new one ?? Yet you are quite blaise about it ????
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Cannot present hear say to authorities ! You should know that
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acacia alba
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Ummmmm,,,,???? No I dont ???
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animals before people.
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Batman
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Linghi, I know one of the best trackriders around, who was a good jockey for 25 years, and rides for one of these suspicious stables. He cannot believe that the horses can work so bad, then come out on Raceday and win by panels when well backed. Then a week or two later they run again and perform like their legs are tied together. It drives him crazy. |
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A Alba ? If you want to run around and inform to authorities every thing you hear in a coffee shop or on a race track? See what the authorities and others think of you? I mentioned something I had heard about many years ago. I never put a name to it, there is a reason for that!
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Isaac soloman
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But you can spout away, anonymously, on a public forum, essentially egging others on....
Perhaps keep it to the coffee shop gossip.
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Gay3
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The single word that best describes a forum for me is GOSSIP
What else would we be here for? |
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That’s about right, gay3 I just pass on some idol gossip
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It Was frogs not long ago
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Gay3
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Yes, frogs, snakes & plants too, this particular topic came to light simply thru' authorities announcing they finally have a test & suspect there are users............it's only taken upwards of 15 years but better late than never
Meanwhile, back in the lab............... |
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I prefer to learn stuff not listen to rubbish. Otherwise what could you ever believe in. Isn't that the problem with social media? eg your posts re the horses at the sales yards, is it really true? Thats why there are new rules. Amateur photos don't lie Ask slowdown, he got one of his homebreds out! Edited by Gay3 - 11 Jul 2019 at 12:07pm |
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Mmm I wonder if this story has arisen from the rumours circulating of a positive for a Victorian trainers horse who have both been airborne. Can’t say too much but race was end of May and connections haven’t been paid yet .
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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Airborne to Perth?
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Was it a jumps race by any chance Noccy?
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Airborne 😂😂😂 |
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