rusty nails wrote: furious wrote: As I said I'm better off due to second job.  I'm no good at going in and asking for a rise.  That is something I don't have the gumption to do but I have a job and so many don't.  They work part time and can never get ahead!  Yes I help the children.  Most parents do.  But I've paid off my home and have no children at school etc.  So lots of bills disappeared which makes your salary go further. Why stir the boat and finish up without a job.  At my age I won't get another one. Your employer might have classified you as a contractor to suit his purposes, that doesn’t mean he’s entitled to have done so. If you work under his constant supervision,are required to work hours dictated by him,and don’t contract your services to anyone else, then any court will find “substance over form” and classify you as an employee. That being the case, if you think you are being paid below the prevailing award, you can choose to confront him and, as you say, risk your job. Or, you could make a detailed log, and make a claim for backpay when you elect to retire. It might well end up being a sizeable sum.

Thought we had already ticked that one off Rusty 

... rusty has nailed it too.

A couple of questions regarding furious’s posts that others with more experience in these areas might answer.
Is being employed as a consultant the same as being employed as a sole contractor ( I’m not sure what industry you work in furious).
If so what have been your superannuation requirements furious, I.e. have you been paying this yourself?
I believe, but not certain, that if you have been paying your own super over this time that the company should have been making these payments, but as mentioned I’m not certain about this.

furious wrote: I set up my own with a bank. Dont have enough to retire. I work for two different company's now so while I agree it would of been nice to get all the benefits I have a job which is better than nothing. I work in the horse industry like a few here. I'm better of than plenty of people.

Everybody that works with horses are better off than most people I believe furious.

However a lot of good people also get.........
Doc, Rusty or others will know more (hopefully) but it’s friday so I will have a look over the weekend.

Softy, I'm not all over the rules, but they have been in place for a long time now, and as I understand them, were brought in to protect the employee in exactly furious' situation - easier for an employer to just say you are a "contractor" or a "consultant" and just invoice me. They then avoid collecting PAYG tax, paying super or sick or holiday pay, worker's comp, etc. It wasn't a bad lurk for the employee, provided they were charging an appropriate rate, but they were in turn, deemed to be self employed, and had to look after their own tax and super contributons, as a "sole trader", which many never did. That's why so many people who are near retirement age have virtually no super. So the rules changed as I recall, that put the onus on the company to identify anyone who was employed in this fashion as an employee, and the individual to do so if they earned the majority of their income from one source (?). There are a lot of industries that are susceptible to shonky practices, and the racing industry is a fairly obvious one. However, I have to say that part of the problem is the employee who does not value their own work sufficiently, so says nothing - the person who employs them is probably so set in their ways that they won't change anyway, but less likely if they assume there is no problem.

This topic almost needs its own thread. Lots of shonk stuff going on

Look at it this way also.  I'm luckier than most - as I sometimes work on holidays due to things that have to be kept up to date and no one else can seem to do it!  I do get to work around other things.  So I can work early and have the day to myself and then work at night.  Lots of people can't do that.  I work from home so don't have to travel (or that expense).  It was great when the children were young as I could drop anything and take them to the doctors or sports training ect.  As long as I deliver on time no one to worry about - and I'm diligent on getting things there on time.  So not all bad guys.  Yes I'd like a raise sometime (who doesn't) but they have had bad times also (EI especially) and I kept my job throughout.  As it happened early in my getting back to work after some babies and I have a husband who is good at keeping track of things mostly I've been alright at keeping track of all the ins and outs for tax etc.  Would of loved some super but my daughter is on a three day contract with no sick/holiday/super etc also.  Lots of people in that boat these days.  I'm more worried about her than me.

What bothers me is the lack of resources to enforce fair practices. Too many lowlife, greedy employers getting away with flouting the rules.

Is josh Frydenberg stupid or the ultimate , unflappable spin artist ?

Don't normally defend him PT but in that case he was talking about 2018-19 FY not 19-20 where the promise is.

The whole ''We ARE back in the black...next year'' thing was a lie to help get re-elected and will be walked back from. 

horlicks wrote: Don't normally defend him PT but in that case he was talking about 2018-19 FY not 19-20 where the promise is.

How can possible actions being discussed in July have any effect on the previous year?

Passing Through wrote:

I thought Al Grassby had gone to God.