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Passing Through
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Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 7:32am |
'Everything is burning': Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris consumed in flamesParis: A catastrophic fire engulfed the upper reaches of Paris' soaring Notre Dame Cathedral as it was undergoing renovations on Monday, threatening one of the greatest architectural treasures of the Western world as tourists and Parisians looked on aghast from the streets below. The blaze collapsed the cathedral's spire and spread to one of its landmark rectangular towers. A spokesman said the entire wooden frame of the cathedral would likely come down, and that the vault of the edifice could be threatened too. more... |
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acacia alba
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Oh thats terrible. Its one place I loved to visit. So much history in the place. To think it could all be lost is so sad. Such an icon of Paris. How could they be so careless as to let a fire start .
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animals before people.
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crooked_gambler
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Second Chance
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God's wrath on paedophile priests.
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GAJ
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Very sad for a Patriotic Country so proud of their history. Hope it can be rebuilt, probably take decades to replicate in timber.
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GAJ
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Isaac soloman
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and Bill Shorten wants to give money for its restoration.
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Passing Through
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So does the government according to Treasurer Frydenburg on ABC this morning.
Point?
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Isaac soloman
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one point being at least they hadnt tied in the pedophilia idea
but earlier on, only turnbull, who you could class as irrelevent and shorten had only made the call to donate at that stage.
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Passing Through
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The French Govt will ask if they want something I would imagine, but until then offers are just token.
No race to get there first. I dont think the French are desperate for help.
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Isaac soloman
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Thats a benign reply pt.
The pedophilia angle is interesting. Whos up for ISIS claiming responsibility?
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GAJ
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ISIS had a go a few years back and were caught in the act.
Not out of the question, Christian churches in France have been targeted recently. See my link above.
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Passing Through
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Cant squeeze China into the frame Isaac?
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Isaac soloman
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Funny you should say that pt.
the repair materials, where were they sourced?
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Passing Through
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Who certified the repair materials?
If they were inferior, why would they have been approved for use in France?
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Isaac soloman
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Ask myself the same question here
when a building goes up in flames (cladding) or a car burns.
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Isaac soloman
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Not on board with Bill pt.
Bill is happy to pay for anything, even french bills, it seems. Scott Morrison said it was "upsetting" to see what happened in Paris today, but his focus was on fixing Australia's problems. "I’m sure that France is a very prosperous nation and I’m sure they’ll be able to cover that," he said. "There’s already been a massive donation made today by a very significant French philanthropist. Look, I’m focused on, you know, supporting Australian farmers in drought – Australian farmers and graziers and pastoralists up in north Queensland. |
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Second Chance
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Bump, for those looking for this elsewhere.
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Thanks SC. Tried starting a thread on it. Looking at this one so far, there's no point. Bit of the famous Aussie cultural cringe going on.
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Good post. |
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acacia alba
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Cant see them ever replicating that tower that crashed. The timber, stone work, artistry, its all medieval craftsmanship gone up in smoke. Might make a replica but it can never be the real thing . And the famous gargoyles on the roof. All gone.
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animals before people.
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Some of it nearly 800 years old. It will be rebuilt from old and recent plans, but it's kind of like a big old tree remade with modern materials. They'll need to last the next 800 years to be any good. |
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Pretty sure the spire that collapsed was added in the 19th century.
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Yes. |
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Passing Through
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And he does that by wasting $175m on Christmas Island dog whistling political stunts or $750m corrupt gifts to Peter O'Neill to make his refugee problems go away? You are funny man Isaac, but I still have no idea what your point is involving the fire, Bill Shorten and China.
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Isaac soloman
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Easy pt.
sc linking the fire with pedophilia deserved a challenge. Go from there.
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I don't think you have to look for inferior materials. There was a lot of wood involved with that roof and old seasoned wood burns really well.
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GAJ
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On a good note, I believe two Parisian Billionaires are donating around 300 million euros toward the rebuild, no need for foreign aid!!
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Interesting article in Rolling Stone about the social/ political aspects of how it should be rebuilt etc, in terms of rebuilding it as it was or making it more of a reflection of 21st C France. It will be heavily politicised in France - EU vs Nationalist, Secular vs Religious, Progressive vs Conservative etc. Macron will have to play this very carefully, with the current chaos in France and the Olympics a few years away. It will turn out to be an interesting little chapter in the history of a rapidly changing Europe.
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I've just spotted this too which rather puts it in perspective.
Laura O'Connell Rapira
I'm struggling with the response to Notre Dame. I understand it is sad. Tragic. Sorrowful. I feel sad. It's sad to lose sacred places and history in a world where sacredness and history are undervalued and misremembered. But I also know that the desecrated and destroyed sacred places of black, indigenous and people of colour never get this much coverage, love, or attention. They definitely don't get billionaires offering up $450 million to fix it. In Australia, the sacred Djapwurrung birthing trees are due to be cut down for roads any day now. Some of these trees are over 800 years old and have birthed more than 10,000 Djapwurrung babies. In Auckland, the sacred Māori land at Ihumātao could be bulldozed for unaffordable housing. Countless other wahi tapu sites have been destroyed by colonisers. Three black churches in Louisiana, USA have been burned by white supremacists in the last few weeks. In Belize, a construction company destroyed one of the largest Mayan pyramids. It was 2,300 years old. Countless ancient sacred sites in Iraq and Syria have been ruined by war and terrorism. The only exception I can think of in recent history where public outpouring was as high as it is for Notre Dame, was Standing Rock. And unfortunately that oil pipeline, supported by billionaires and colonisers, eventually won out over the rights of indigenous people. I know it's not the 'tragedy olympics' and people have every right to feel sad about Notre Dame. But I also think we'd be lying to ourselves to not recognise the systemic privilgeing of white sacredness, white sites, white history, white stories and white sadness in our world. |
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