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Have you got arthritis in your fingers today MC 41 ?

Your comments lack coherency !
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Have you got arthritis in your fingers today MC 41 ?

Your comments lack coherency !
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Maybe - but please be honest - you have NEVER had a good word to say about her 

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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Bob I'll offer you a wager.  My assessment is that even if the Court finds for the ever litigious Senator, any damages will fall well short of $2m plus you mention.  Perhaps in the $200k range.

And why?  because:

a. she alleges her demotion from the Ministry was a specific consequence of imputations from Sharaz, which is extremely arguable at very best.  No-one loses a portfolio on the basis of innuendo; and
b. the imputations were for the most part predominantly aired by Channel 10, though Sharaz has a case to answer though arguably less than does Channel 10; and
c. it's appears something of a stretch to claim that lovely Linda was the subject of vilification and trolling on social media as a direct result of anything the defendants might have said.

So here we go, each based on a $10 wager:

You get $11 about a $2m-plus result, $7 about $1m-plus, $3 about $0.5m plus outcome.

Or you instead offer me a quote for a less than $0.5m result.  

ps I'm backing an undisclosed settlement.



Ever litigious senator? Do you have evidence of prior other cases she has launched?  You know she was hospitalized following the innuendos to which she was subjected.
BTW Higgins got $220,000 payout (payoff?) for her medical expenses a good starting point for Reynolds in her defamation claims.
she sued ACT government and Drumgold.
Also threatened to sue Plibersek a year ago.
So,she’s not a virgin
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 Anyone who gets upset by social media, should not run for office.

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Well I certainly acknowledge she's made her way in life and congratulate her for doing so. It's hard yards for any woman in parliament.

Even given she ultimately proved an embarrassing failure in the Defence portfolio and was sacked from her other Ministerial appointment.  

ps her withdrawal from parliamentary duties was at the time announced as being due to a "pre-existing" medical issue rather than any response to the Higgins imbroglio, which arguably further weakens her case against Sharaz.



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Maybe - but please be honest - you have NEVER had a good word to say about her 
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ps the offered wagers still stand.  Boys it's time to put your money....
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If you have f-all to offer oneonesit, other than a gee-up for someone with whom you agree, please don't insult others by offering it.

ps  Linda has launched at least five actions in very recent times.  Do a google and you'll be obliged to agree.
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That’s for Second Chance - not you Bob

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You lack credibility re Reynolds

You have been death riding her as long as I can remember
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Bob I'll offer you a wager.  My assessment is that even if the Court finds for the ever litigious Senator, any damages will fall well short of $2m plus you mention.  Perhaps in the $200k range.

And why?  because:

a. she alleges her demotion from the Ministry was a specific consequence of imputations from Sharaz, which is extremely arguable at very best.  No-one loses a portfolio on the basis of innuendo; and
b. the imputations were for the most part predominantly aired by Channel 10, though Sharaz has a case to answer though arguably less than does Channel 10; and
c. it's appears something of a stretch to claim that lovely Linda was the subject of vilification and trolling on social media as a direct result of anything the defendants might have said.

So here we go, each based on a $10 wager:

You get $11 about a $2m-plus result, $7 about $1m-plus, $3 about $0.5m plus outcome.

Or you instead offer me a quote for a less than $0.5m result.  

ps I'm backing an undisclosed settlement.



Ever litigious senator? Do you have evidence of prior other cases she has launched?  You know she was hospitalized following the innuendos to which she was subjected.
BTW Higgins got $220,000 payout (payoff?) for her medical expenses a good starting point for Reynolds in her defamation claims.
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Bob I'll offer you a wager.  My assessment is that even if the Court finds for the ever litigious Senator, any damages will fall well short of $2m plus you mention.  Perhaps in the $200k range.

And why?  because:

a. she alleges her demotion from the Ministry was a specific consequence of imputations from Sharaz, which is extremely arguable at very best.  No-one loses a portfolio on the basis of innuendo; and
b. the imputations were for the most part predominantly aired by Channel 10, though Sharaz has a case to answer though arguably less than does Channel 10; and
c. it's appears something of a stretch to claim that lovely Linda was the subject of vilification and trolling on social media as a direct result of anything the defendants might have said.

So here we go, each based on a $10 wager:

You get $11 about a $2m-plus result, $7 about $1m-plus, $3 about $0.5m plus outcome.

Or you instead offer me a quote for a less than $0.5m result.  

ps I'm backing an undisclosed settlement.


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Linda Reynolds has spoken out for the first time since the Federal Court comprehensively debunked suggestions she and her office had engaged in a cover-up of Brittany Higgins’ rape.

The WA Liberal senator, who was the defence minister at the time her staffer Ms Higgins was raped by colleague Bruce Lehrmann in the minister’s parliamentary office, said the findings handed down by Justice Michael Lee during his verdict in Mr Lehrmann’s defamation had finally “set the record straight”.

“For three years I have endured intense public scrutiny, vilification, vile trolling and have been demonised as the villain in a story of a political cover-up I have always known to be untrue. Fiona Brown and I have lost our careers, had our reputations destroyed and have had our health seriously and irreparably compromised,” Senator Reynolds said.

“The decision of his Honour Justice Lee has finally set the record straight with respect to the conduct of Ms Brown and myself and the demonstrably false narrative that has dominated headlines and ruined lives and careers. To say I am pleased with the findings in relation to Ms Brown and myself and the cover-up that never was, would be an understatement.”

Beyond Justice Lee’s key finding that, on the balance of probabilities, Mr Lehrmann had in fact raped Ms Higgins, the judgment was notable for demolishing the notion that Senator Reynolds and her chief of staff at the time, Ms Brown,  had tried to cover up the incident.

The so-called “cover-up narrative” was at the centre of the Network Ten reports that prompted Mr Lehrmann’s unsuccessful defamation action. Senator Reynolds was subsequently demoted from the defence portfolio, and she recently announced that she would retire from politics at the next election.

Senator Reynolds is currently suing Ms Higgins and her fiance, David Sharaz, for defamation in the Western Australian Supreme Court. That matter is scheduled to go to trial later this year with the senator vowing to push on with the claim.

As Reynolds is pushing on with her claim I reckon Higgins and her beau, Sharma, might need every bit of that $2.45 million she was paid out by the ALP government.

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Here's the problem for you Rusty ;

I accept the Civil outcome

I accept the Criminal outcome

And the bloke is still walking around 

So how am I wrong & you somehow correct ?
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Jeez, if we are talking about form on this subject, and you had any self awareness, you’d be catatonic with embarrassment by now.
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

The burden of proof is higher in a criminal case

I don't think a "balance of probabilities" would be sufficient to lock someone up for 20 years

Not unlike the OJ case in the US
Tell us again how the Briginshaw standard was certain to win it for himLOLLOLLOL
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Appeal???

WTF is wrong with you?

I know you didn’t understand the topic at all.
But this is ridiculous,even for you.

Brucey sued for defamation for damage to his reputation, and then trashed his own reputation in the court process.

Justice Lee said he was a serial liar, a cad, a cheat, who’s evidence was risible,and judged his reputation as being so low as to be worth only $20k IF he had won.
But the truth defence was successful, so he lost.

Now, who’s got another $5M+ to appeal this verdict, so he can be awarded $20k IF the appeal was successful?
Who knows what Stokes will do - he doesn't seen to worry too much re money. He might not be too pleased Channel 10 getting one over on him. 

Don't forget your form in this area is not too good - you said the BRS would not Appeal either & he did (& lost I know)

We will see
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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Doesn't look like Bruce is going to be given the opportunity to prove his innocence in Court. Will always carry with him the smear of being guilty.

Brittney struggling with mental health issues apparently - to be detailed at 10am

Lot of people have a lot to answer over this case. 

 I would think you'd be throwing a party for the arse...

 this is precisely why women don't always report rape...

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Are you Judge.....or Jury?.........now Bruce can sue for defamation, his life has been destroyed by this woman, and her ideologue friends.........whatever happened to justice, and innocent until found guilty, God you lot have a lot to answer for.......the Juror that bought the material [docs] into courts was reading about false rape claims?....they happen you know, they bloody do and men go to jail for it because of women with mental health issues........and that's a lose lose for both parties.



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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Ladbrokes are betting evens Bruce goes the defamation suite.......I'd take 4-6 on...and so he should, his professional life is buggered, did she make it up? we'll never know now will we, the stigma sits more on Bruce's shoulders than the woman involved, lets see shall we.



Poor old Bonjour KC clueless again. Has his legal opinion ever been right? LOLLOL
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

The burden of proof is higher in a criminal case

I don't think a "balance of probabilities" would be sufficient to lock someone up for 20 years

Not unlike the OJ case in the US
Tell us again how the Briginshaw standard was certain to win it for himLOLLOLLOL
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Appeal???

WTF is wrong with you?

I know you didn’t understand the topic at all.
But this is ridiculous,even for you.

Brucey sued for defamation for damage to his reputation, and then trashed his own reputation in the court process.

Justice Lee said he was a serial liar, a cad, a cheat, who’s evidence was risible,and judged his reputation as being so low as to be worth only $20k IF he had won.
But the truth defence was successful, so he lost.

Now, who’s got another $5M+ to appeal this verdict, so he can be awarded $20k IF the appeal was successful?
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Nice Bob

Was that the same David who had a good relationship with Katy ?

What a coincidence !

Almost convenient
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The judge has been curious about David Sharaz all the way through the trial. At one point he likened Sharaz to the prophet Elijah, quipping there was a seat for him at the Passover table, but he never shows up.

Justice Lee asked both sides why they weren’t calling him to give evidence — and he had a lot to say about him in the judgment.

David Sharaz was the one who went to Lisa Wilkinson with a story he called a ‘Liberal Party Me Too Project Pitch”. In his messages and conversations with The Project team, he made it clear this was a story of a political cover-up and he wanted it to come out very soon, before Scott Morrison had a chance to call an election.

That’s because he wanted the Labor Party to ask questions about it in Question Time, during parliament — and if Morrison called the election, Parliament would rise and Labor wouldn’t get the opportunity to hammer the issue.

The judge said his motivations were clear — he wanted to cause political damage to the government — and he criticised Lisa Wilkinson and the producer Angus Llewellyn for not being more sceptical about the whole story for that reason.

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What an odd question. 

I'm feeling quite chipper - but thanks for asking LOL

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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

The burden of proof is higher in a criminal case

I don't think a "balance of probabilities" would be sufficient to lock someone up for 20 years

Not unlike the OJ case in the US
Tell us again how the Briginshaw standard was certain to win it for himLOLLOLLOL
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 Like Al Capone and OJ Simpson, 'Brucey' might eventually get convicted for a lesser crime.

 Like perjury....

 

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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

The burden of proof is higher in a criminal case

I don't think a "balance of probabilities" would be sufficient to lock someone up for 20 years

Not unlike the OJ case in the US
Tell us again how the Briginshaw standard was certain to win it for himLOLLOLLOL
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 Like Al Capone and OJ Simpson, 'Brucey' might eventually get convicted for a lesser crime.

 Like perjury....

 
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