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Redemption
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Gay, I am curious. You have noted that police are monitoring forums and serious matters such as this subject, but how is free speech, even if its an opinion (opinions are opinions, and opinions cant be wrong), thats what an opinion is, be of any detriment? People speak as much garbage as they want. Would have thought police would take anything with a grain of salt, especially on a forum.
anyway, like the vast majority of public, we wish the police well with this investigation. its great that it is even regarded a police matter, not just an internal racing investigation.
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Gay3
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I'm sure I speak for the Mayor by suggesting he'd rather not take the risk of having it tested in court.
Equally any one of you may believe your ID is well hidden but if an officer senses you may have some evidence worth following up, I'm sure he'll track you down, it's their profession after all. Bottom line = not worth the risk |
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linghi11
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I doubt they’re looking for opinions, more so for names and events of interest that posters may be aware of.
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pnclick
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Interesting Move...
Jarrod McLean has reportedly applied to take over the Warrnambool stables of disgraced trainer Darren Weir. The Warrnambool Standard has reported McLean, who has been allowed to continue training as he fights charges including allegedly possessing a jigger, wants the $1 million stable complex previously occupied by Weir's Warrnambool team. The Standard reported that McLean, who oversaw the day-to-day running of Weir's operation, is seeking the main barn which includes 43 boxes left empty after Weir was banned for four years earlier this month. The application is set to be considered by Racing Victoria’s licensing panel which is set to meet next month. No date has been set for McLean's case, which will be heard by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board. Racenet is awaiting a response from Racing Victoria on the matter of McLean’s application for the Warrnambool stables. The training team of Ciaron Maher and David Eustace recently received approval to take over Weir’s former Ballaratstable Forest Lodge. Meanwhile, the police investigation into the Weir matter has intensified with police this week taking statements from more than a dozen ex-Weir staff members. The Herald Sun has also reported a Warrnambool house belonging to an associate of McLean was searched by police earlier this week. |
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linghi11
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If they let him take over those stables, they might as well just shut up shop on racing full stop. Shouldn’t be allowed near a horse or a racetrack.
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Xavier
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The Victoria Police probe into disgraced horse trainer Darren Weir has widened, with further property raids and interviews in Warrnambool.
Officers from the sporting integrity intelligence unit searched a house belonging to an associate of Weir’s former stable foreman Jarrod McLean on Tuesday. The house is occupied by a person well known in country racing circles and believed to be licensed by Racing Victoria. Detectives also interviewed a string of former Weir employees in Warrnambool as the investigation into the exiled former champion trainer continues. Weir is disqualified for four years after three electronic jiggers were found in the master bedroom of his Ballarat stable complex. A fourth jigger was found on a property connected to McLean. Jiggers are sometimes used in racing to shock horses into better performances. The practice is regarded as barbaric. Weir, McLean and stable employee Tyson Kermond were arrested and released without charge following stable raids on January 30. Police on Wednesday confirmed they visited Warrnambool but declined to go into detail. “Detectives from the sporting integrity intelligence unit were in Warrnambool on Wednesday as part of an ongoing investigation … linked to thoroughbred racing,” a spokeswoman said. It is expected statements will be taken from scores of figures across the racing industry as part of the probe. Weir, 48, is being investigated by police on several fronts. One element of the Victoria Police probe relates to “engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome”. Another is the “use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes”. Possible animal cruelty is another line of inquiry. Racing Victoria investigators had Weir and McLean under surveillance for 18 months before a referral to police in August last year. RV officials do not have the power to carry out some investigative functions, such as tapping phones. Police, accompanied by Australian Federal Police and racing integrity operatives, executed warrants at properties near Warrnambool and Ballarat last month. Apart from the jiggers, the raid uncovered an unlicensed firearm and a substance believed to be cocaine. Racing is awash with rumours of a video involving alleged maltreatment of a horse on a treadmill. Racing integrity chief Jamie Stier said Racing Victoria did not have the video, but had encouraged members of the public with information to contact it or police. McLean is yet to face the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board over four charges relating to the jigger, failing to give evidence, failing to obey a steward’s direction and conduct prejudicial to racing. He has indicated he intends to contest the charges. |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Gay3
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He must have plenty of owners willing to trust his innocence if he's seeking 40+ more boxes
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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AFP are going to have a field day with DKW, definitely will be doing time
Jiggers are just a small part of what's going on Trap For Fools, poor bugger Im just gonna say China for now |
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TIGER
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Spot on the money plus more |
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adolphus twirk
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WTF
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Nocturnal
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The ex jockey ? Willy or wont he be named here? |
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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....
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Xavier
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They were named here but mods censored it out pretty quickly.
I was shocked by the name mentioned. |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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linghi11
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Really? He has a pretty poor reputation |
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Gay3
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Craig Newitt fronted Victorian stewards yesterday as part of a major probe into jockey betting. Racing Victoria chief steward Robert Cram offered “no comment” when asked specifically if Newitt had been ordered to RV headquarters at Flemington but confirmed there had been action taken as part of the on-going investigation. Newitt did not respond when asked by RSN’s “Unbridled” if he had been interviewed by stewards. Cram confirmed the probe involves the potential betting activities of a number of jockeys and it is understood these jockeys are not confined to Tasmania, where Newitt is based. Newitt moved back to his home state in August 2017, citing family lifestyle reasons plus a concession that his opportunities had begun to dry up on the mainland. He won the Hobart Cup earlier this month aboard Eastender but was suspended for careless riding three days later. He returns on February 24. When he confirmed a fortnight ago that he would be required to meet Victorian stewards, Newitt said “I’m not too worried about it.” BY: Matt Stewart RSN Racing Editor |
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Xavier
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Meant to say wasn’t shocked |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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TIGER
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It's definitely a Trap For Fools
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Discohips23
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mmm......Willy ever learn? |
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Will he or won’t he? I guess we will die wondering Edited by Gay3 - 24 Feb 2019 at 8:40am |
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Police hunt for secret phones, SIMs in raid on Darren Weir’s property
April 14, 2019 11:52am Leo Schlink and Mark ButtlerHerald Sun Police are investigating whether suspects in the Darren Weir racing corruption probe used a secret communications network to avoid scrutiny. The Herald Sun can reveal a hunt for concealed phones and SIM cards was one element of a major sweep of Weir’s training complex and home near Ballarat in January. Officers from the Sporting Integrity and Intelligence Unit used hi-tech Australian Federal Police equipment during the January 30 raid. It is clear investigators believe it possible suspects were using “burner” phones unknown to racing authorities. Licensed personnel, including trainers and stablehands, must hand over their phones to Racing Victoria on request. Victoria Police said the AFP was not involved in the Weir inquiry but its equipment allowed a faster, more thorough search. “The search was made in an effort to locate any items of interest that could be used for evidentiary purposes, which included mobile phones and SIM cards,” a spokeswoman said. It is not known whether any phones or SIM cards were found. Weir was disqualified for four years by racing authorities in February after jiggers — electronic devices used to shock horses — were found in the disgraced trainer’s bedroom in January. His stables have been sold and hundreds of horses transferred to other trainers. Phone calls and text messages have been key elements in previous racing integrity and match-fixing investigations in recent years. Text messages obtained from float driver Greg Nelligan’s mobile led to the disqualification of eight people in the Aquanita doping scandal. Group 1-winning trainer Robert Smerdon, Tony Vasil, Stuart Webb and Liam Birchley are appealing against their bans. Phone taps have also been used to uncover corruption in harness racing, leading to convictions against Larry Eastman and others. Photos and video from hidden cameras are believed to be central to the Weir investigation |
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Discohips23
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Interesting that one of Weir’s ex stable hands has applied for a trainers license but has been told that they will need to distance themself from J. McLean before the Stewards would consider granting one. It’s hard not to be open to the suggestion that anyone who worked for Weir & McLean in the past few years haven’t been tainted by their “training” methods. You only have to look at who spent time learning their trade under Robert Smerdon to know that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. There has been a lot of talk lately about how there are too many trainers in the industry and how there isnt enough prize money distributed to fund them. This is a perfect opportunity to put a hold on distribution of any new licenses for say 5years.
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Second Chance
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"This is a perfect opportunity to put a hold on distribution of any new licenses for say 5 years".
Now that's simply nonsense.
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Why? |
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It eliminates any possibility of Weir manipulating a young impressionable trainer who knows nothing other than the what was taught to them by Weir, and it also solves the issue of too many trainers. It can be readdressed in 5 years. |
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Second Chance
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There's any number of hard working, talented people who've served their time as assistant trainers, and might feel the need to take the next big step and apply for their own license.
Sorry, come back in 5 years is your answer?
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If it’s for the betterment of the industry, then yes.
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Second Chance
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You clearly have no idea.
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Why The Face |
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Just for example, trainer X has been in the game for 30-odd years and has an impeccable record. However he's tired and not well so wants and needs to retire. His son has been stable foreman for 20 years and it's logical and indeed preferable that he take over the reins. Because he has the expertise, let alone the necessity of maintaining his father's client base But according to you the son wouldn't be able to take out a license for five years, and that's symptomatic of the total nonsense of your position. If there is too many trainers the obvious answer is to closely review the continuation or otherwise of current trainer licences based on relevant evaluation, as very distinct from closing the door on new entrants.
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Gay3
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Trainer numbers have dropped from 1200 odd a few years ago to 800 as it is! When mega trainers have 200 & 300+ on their books it leaves dregs for the rest so anyone gutsy enough to want to make a go of it should be encouraged.
Mitch Freedman & Daniel Bowman, ex Weir employees are going superbly at present fwiw. |
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