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sparticus
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I'm betting that the RVL penalty is the last of Weirs worries.
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Magnolian Khan
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Geezus. Looks like I’ve missed a fair bit since I was hear last.
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Discohips23
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Who was the journalist?
Edited by Gay3 - 05 Feb 2019 at 9:45am |
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djebel
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Seems a lot of trainers are very trusting taking on these horses.
What assurances do they have, are they protected against what might be in their new horses systems ? |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Lordy
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Thats total speculation although for the sake of debate, anything in the system of these horses would/should have already cleared swabs. If subsequent test do turn up positive results to previous unidentified substances then I'd think the current trainer would have a reasonable case to claim innocence.
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Gay3
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Many of Weirs backed up & won within 7 days but tested clean, so I doubt there'll be any positives unless new trainers are responsible.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Trusting???? They dont care. Theyve got nothing to lose and plenty to gain
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Sister Dot
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I think it’s fair to say we should care about what happens to both. I agree though that this is being over exaggerated thru the huge media coverage attached to it? There is much much worse happening to horses in other situations and many other animals too. No one can refute the fact that racehorses are very carefully managed and cared for all their lives if they find a good home after racing. Many others never get a Chance right from the start or thru neglect because they have no purpose or value. |
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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acacia alba
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while I agree with you Sister Dot, that many other horses in other situations are also suffering in various ways, why does that make it right , the way these have been treated ? 2 wrongs dont make a right ? and we also know a lot dont find good homes after racing. but that still doesnt make it right for one group of horses in race stables to be mistreated .
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animals before people.
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JudgeHolden
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Pretty similar to Waller in NSW, I would have thought. |
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JudgeHolden
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I was listening to non-sporting breakfast radio here this morning and they seem to be under the impression (and were sharing this with their audience) that horses were being tasered.
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Sister Dot
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Excellent point, proves he actually was playing a prominent role in his horses future welfare. Can all the trainers and owners bagging him out equal that effort? Life after racing is another big issue |
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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JudgeHolden
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In other words, PR disaster.
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sparticus
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Looks like his Facebook page has gone. Was copping a fair bit of abuse
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Redemption
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I think its time the top trainers got together, David Hayes, Waller, etc etc, and make a formal written pact to keep racing as clean as possible, and to never seek "differential advantage", nor become too big for their own good.
Weir achieving the numbers he did, illegally, it wasnt necessary. Top trainers and jockeys, seriously need to get together, as a united front, and make a really stern meaningful pact together, and in turn, encourage smaller trainers to thrive. Essentially, what we are talking about here, is Etiquette. Good sportsmanship and Etiquette. Newfound respect and a pact with each other. Lead by example. So when the Weirs come along, and insiders know that something is going on, they all get together as a united force, and say, "listen, this isnt necessary, we would rather all have slow horses and race fairly". The captains of the industry, the leading trainers and jockeys, need to voice a strong Commanding role, of etiquette, together as a force. |
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JudgeHolden
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I’ve always thought that a bit weird, with the outrage in here and certain quarters with regards to this and things like cobalt. We breed about 30,000 of these animals a year, apparently. For a few short years they’re flogged around racetracks as wagering tools. What happens after for many, particularly the slow ones, probably doesn’t really bear thinking about. Some perspective, please. |
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roland
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As a small owner in YYY who was with Darren (he was moved friday arvo last week to waller), I just feel incredibly sad for all the innocent staff and businesses associated with forest lodge that have now been caught up in all this. Sadly, I don't think this is the end, indeed far from it. From my perspective as an owner, you would hope your horse has been trained hard but fairly and not subjected to any form of cruelty. Sad few days in racing that's for sure.
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Sister Dot
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Sister Dot
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There sure is a lot to think about 😕
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Passing Through
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Taser was simply the term they used for the benefit of non racing people to comprehend what a jigger was. Was explained in the police interview first day.
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JudgeHolden
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What a good idea that was...it just seems ironic, after all the bad publicity after the Melbourne Cup.
Authorities: “Let’s have us a raid. We’ll get the Feds and the media can come along and all...” Three hours later: “Look what WE found!!!” Public: “You people are monsters!!! BAN RACING!!” Authorities: “W-w-wait, no....” |
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Magnolian Khan
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Mick Leonard (business manager) also part time trainer has been appointed caretaker by Forest Lodge. RV stewards have approved, meaning that the horses remaining in the stable can continue to be trained and raced.
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Magnolian Khan
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new caretaker trainer has been announced at Forest Lodge.
In an email to owners seen by The Courier on Tuesday morning, Darren Weir Racing business manager Mick Leonard revealed he had been approved by Racing Victoria stewards to take over the trainer's role in the interim. Leonard said the person most likely to take over as full-time trainer of the operation is someone of "high regard in the industry". Below is Leonard's email to owners: A) As an interim measure I, Mick Leonard, have been approved by RVL stewards as caretaker trainer for Forest Lodge. B) The stables are able to be used whilst we negotiate for a new trainer to take over the Forest Lodge operation. Discussions between Ballarat Turf Club and these trainers are well advanced and we hope for an announcement as soon as possible. C) The trainer most likely to take over is a person of high regard in the industry. Naturally, your option to subsequently select a different trainer of your choice is not affected by the interim arrangements. D) Any horse in the early and middle stages of its preparation will continue to be trained at Forest Lodge. Our existing staff will care for these horses with the same skill, knowledge and commitment that they have always demonstrated. In the interim we are not allowed to trial or race horses. This is obviously a period of great duress for the stable and our staff in particular. We would very much appreciate our owners' continued support whilst we arrange the transfer of our premises to the incoming trainer. This support will ensure our staff are employed on an on-going basis, which is a major concern of myself, Darren and Racing Authorities. Yours sincerely Mick Leonard |
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Batman
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Haha. Here it comes. Fully expected,
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Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.
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Batman
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Smerdon and the Aquacheater team will be over the moon that the spotlight is off them for a while.
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Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.
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Lordy
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On face value this looks like a good outcome.
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the miz
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Think I'm missing something here.
So they was surveillance in DKW's stables since August, so when did the stewards know about the jiggers? Considering my good pal Llinghi advised in December that everyone in racing knew, why wasn't something done earlier? Or is it okay to harm animals whilst the feds were investigating?
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the miz
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the miz
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Also Matt Stewart trying to throw mud at interstate stewards on radio today is just unnecessary. When will this state v state bs stop & racing administrators grow up?
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the miz
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Xavier
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Who says the feds are investigating?
Vicpol have said they were only assisting with the raid. Vicpol have an investigation ongoing but not the feds is my understanding |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Gay3
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This today on Facebook from retired G1 trainer Deirdre Stein (Rising Prince)
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am very disappointed that the thoroughbred owners and breeders admin
deletes posts that are put there to make them aware of what is happening
to thoroughbreds that some of them might have owned once. I mentioned
the different sale yards and the number of thoroughbreds going to
slaughter and in particular, so many young ones. I tried to ask
them to send their OTT to retrainers in all states to give these horses a
chance of a good home and a happy future. But the admin seems to think it is
more important not to let them know what is happening, it might upset
some and they don't want to lose members. I put up this photo of 8yo by Sebring who sold to Maffra on Saturday for slaughter. Now am I doing the wrong thing in posting the truth or are some people (admin) not interested in what happens to the horses after racing? |
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