Stable raids happening now!

Discohips23 wrote: acacia alba wrote: Yeah, OK  Disco, but why did you feel the need to have a shot at Mong Khan ?? He didnt say he had thrown his eggs into the DK basket.  Or associated in any way. He said he is small,,and you said he shouldnt have a trainers licence ??? If MK can’t stand on his/her own two feet and deal with the adversity of the business/industry that they have chosen to be in, then they either aren’t good enough at what they do within that industry or should accept fully the highs and lows that go with the Industry. There are plenty of people who think they can open up and run a coffee shop in a competitive industry that can’t.

acacia alba wrote: linghi11 wrote: Little guy wouldn’t need to supplement his income if racing officials did their jobs and stamped out cheating behemoths, rather than promoting them on their social media platforms and kissing their a$$ at every opportunity   Thanks for putting it in to words   You have hit the nail on the head and said it so well.

Fully agree   

It’s a competitive industry. Someone’s always going to rise to the top, and some are going to struggle. Once there, as I said before success breeds success. In resources, and in particular access to the best horses, large stables have a huge advantage in consolidating their success.

People in here now seem to be conflating the issue of cheating with the issue of stable size. Because a large stable got caught cheating. Well, small stables get caught cheating too. Most people just don’t take any notice.

I don't think Noel ever got caught but then few did back then   I guess times haven't changed much 

Gay3 wrote: I don't think Noel ever got caught but then few did back then   I guess times haven't changed much

Baguette wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: It’s a competitive industry. Someone’s always going to rise to the top, and some are going to struggle. Once there, as I said before success breeds success. In resources, and in particular access to the best horses, large stables have a huge advantage in consolidating their success. People in here now seem to be conflating the issue of cheating with the issue of stable size. Because a large stable got caught cheating. Well, small stables get caught cheating too. Most people just don’t take any notice. I agree in principal . I have no problems with the mega stables at all. BUT with these huge stables you start to get into the “ too big to fail” scenario which is a worry. It all comes back to how the sport is administered IMHO. Maybe it’s time to stop the prize money wars and put the money into recruiting top sporting administrators from outside racing to run things.

This is a good point re administers, other sports have gone from putting ex playing legends into these roles to putting executive buisness types into the roles, eg David Gallop and Raylene Castle amongst others.

The Waller/Prior/and others incident was to me as bad as this, take out the animal welfare, but then again no, don't take that, the poor bloody animal can't defend himself.......I was sickened by what happened at the behemoth Sydney establishment, and my friends overseas though gaol time was coming for the guilty parties......they and I can't believe what transpired and how the owners didn't go on with it.....it's a sad blight on NSW administration........because in general NSW get's it right, QLD/VIC/SA not so much.

Maybe I’ve got this completely wrong but isn’t it possible for someone to be on the board running a racing club while at the same time owning horses and therefore having a business relationship with a trainer? Or own a stud?

@gay - sorry, can you fix the above post.  no idea what happened.

2 RAD board members have had horses with Weir.

Sorry should have attached that back in the appropriate quote, and spell checked it. But I’m sure u get the gist 😊

Xavier wrote: Sister Dot wrote: Disappointing to see the condescending words by DH’s in relation to MK’s training career. Me is obviously a very proficient horseman, loves the industry and has taken the neccesary steps to add another area of expertise to his bow. Every trainer starts out slow and feels their way through the minefield which is professional training. What a cutthroat field to enter! No doubt he is learning and improving every day, and working with horses provided by loyal friends, family or clients. I doubt they are the class of material handed over to the big trainers, or even long established trainers with long proven records? How on earth can you criticise and mock someone like that who is out there putting his time, heart and soul into an industry we all love so much? And he has proved he can train a winner! 🤔 Bad form 👎🏼

Terrible form which simply indicates the lack of insight that this bloke has into the way things work.

Not everyone starts with a deep-pocketed fisherman like Tony Muollo, and gets a start at Rosehill from the beginning, like Waller did. Nor does everyone get the opportunity to ride on the coattails of family. It’s very tough working one’s way up from the bottom in this industry, in part due to the attitude displayed above. There are no doubt some ordinary small trainers (as there are ordinary big trainers) but it is very difficult to discern the ability of a trainer or horseman just by looking at stats.

Listen to Furt. Furt is smart. Be like Furt

The Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board has heard that "jiggers" were found in the master bedroom of Darren Weir's property, as they get set to hand down a penalty for the embattled trainer.

The champion horseman fronted the RAD Board on Wednesday morning, having already decided he would not contest several of the charges laid against him last week.

Those charges included three of possessing jiggers and one of engaging in conduct prejudicial to the image, interests or welfare of racing.

Racing Victoria's senior counsel, Jeff Gleeson QC, argued during the hearing that Weir's possession of an electronic apparatus that could be used to stimulate racehorses' performances had tarnished the image of racing in a way that called for a weighty penalty of four years' disqualification.

There was no claim in the charges that Weir is facing that he used the devices, which were found in the master bedroom of his home at his training facility in Ballarat when police and stewards raided the premises last week.