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    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 at 12:42pm
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Suspended Melbourne Cup-winning trainer Darren Weir has faced court charged with torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying horses.
Fellow trainer Jarrod McLean and stable hand Tyson Kermond appeared alongside him in the Melbourne Magistrates Court today, also on animal cruelty charges, and stable hand William Hernan appeared on corrupt conduct charges.
Weir is accused of torturing, abusing, overworking, terrifying and causing unreasonable suffering to a thoroughbred race horse, as well as a conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria stewards, following January police raids on his Ballarat and Warrnambool stables.
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Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Murrell said Weir would be “the last person you’d suspect anything of”.

“So as far as the horse jiggers and that – I don’t think Darren would be silly enough that they would be his,” Murrell said.

A classic from Luke Murrell from ATB. Really, after all his previous incidents he would be the last person you would suspect anything of?

Probably still thinks Weir is innocent even after footage of Red Cardinal getting zapped has come out!...
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Originally posted by early4lunch early4lunch wrote:

Another lawyer using the legal system to prevent the facts escaping

Police warrants are very specific and heavily vetted, rightfully so. Participants need to be careful what they are wanting here as far as an outcome... if RV are allowed use evidence specifically acquired by police (which you may note, THEY haven’t used nor acted upon) that was unlawfully given to them and it is allowed by a Judge, a dangerous precedent is set.
Participants liberties are so few under the Rules anyway- how about Racing do their jobs properly and follow proper procedures for once- it’s not like they have zero access
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The QC is a mate of Weir’s anyway. Part owner of Prince of Penzance
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Originally posted by early4lunch early4lunch wrote:

Another lawyer using the legal system to prevent the facts escaping

Whilst I hope nobody gets away with anything untoward, THAT is pretty much a Lawyer doing his job. LOL
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Another lawyer using the legal system to prevent the facts escaping
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Word on the streets is that it was before he was employed by Weir.
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The article doesn't state specifically that he was training it under his name. Whilst he was foreman, it could have occurred  at W/bool or the Forest Lodge stables, that press release doesn't clarify either Confused
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“The animal concerned died some five years ago,” Broadfoot told the court.

This is from one article I read
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SkyDancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2019 at 9:07pm
They were Weir horses.

It is a horse trained by McLean and under his name that is being investigated according to reports.


I’m pretty sure Akzar ended up with Michelle Payne and Taiyoo died in a race in Tassie by the looks of it.
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Oh yeah, very possible. Didn't realise he had passed.
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Taiyoo Kyneton Cup winner '16, is a possibility as he's down as deceased but Akzar last run Oct '15, though listed as retired, is actually deceased from colic complications, according to the local grapevine a few years ago Confused
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Another name I heard mentioned was Cats Fun
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Haven’t had much luck finding that one out.
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The Herald Sun understands the horse allegedly involved was a former top stayer, who retired several seasons ago and has since died.

Has it been disclosed as to who the horse was?
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Trainer Jarrod McLean’s fight to save his licence by preventing Racing Victoria using police evidence against him rests with the Supreme Court.

McLean’s legal counsel Andrew Broadfoot, QC – a part-owner of Melbourne Cup winner Prince Of Penzance – accused Victoria Police of unlawfully providing RV with evidence gathered during stable raids which ended Darren Weir’s career in January.

In order to maintain confidentiality over the evidence gathered by police, Justice Melinda Richards ordered legal parties to refer to “seized material” and “further information” instead of the actual specifics.

McLean’s legal team is attempting to stop RV charging him based on information received from police or relying on it in any disciplinary proceedings.

According to court documents, RV intended to charge McLean with administering a banned substance to a horse to affect its performance in a race.

The Herald Sun understands the horse allegedly involved was a former top stayer, who retired several seasons ago and has since died.

“The animal concerned died some five years ago,” Broadfoot told the court.

RV also wanted to charge McLean, a Group 1-winning trainer, with possessing a prohibited substance and refusing or failing to give evidence to stewards, who opened a fresh inquiry following information received by police in August.

McLean, who was charged by RV in February on matters relating to the possession of a jigger, claims Victoria Police must not disclose information about anything obtained in a search to third parties except during a criminal investigation.

Victoria Police denies acting unlawfully.


Barrister Paul Holdenson, QC, said police officers “engaged with absolute propriety” during the raids and the investigation was in the public interest to maintain the integrity of the racing industry.

“Who wants to have a bet in the race when the participants in the race are cheating?” Holdenson said.

Broadfoot said the passing of information by police to RV was “abuse of power and an unlawful disclosure”.

Properties owned by McLean and Weir were searched in January before both men were arrested and released without charge.

In McLean’s case, his Yangery property was searched by police using a Magistrates’ Court warrant granted on the allegation he had obtained financial advantage by deception.

McLean maintains he is innocent on charges relating the alleged possession of a jigger.

A Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board hearing on Monday was deferred to October 7 because of the civil hearing in the Supreme Court.
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McLean hearing with Rv today delayed again.

Supreme Court hearing listed for Wednesday
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McLean to face an Administrative hearing at RAD board on wednesday
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Hey yes !!! ....  very funny post race interviews sometimes    Wink 

(and pre-race of course)


..... adds to the lighter side of going to the races Smile
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

When horses turn up to race and the "trainer" wouldn't know their horse/s in a line up there is a problem.

100% correct
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Can't quite remember the last time I saw a heap of horses in a lineup*.Let alone a trainer trying to identify his.

* unless in a paternity suit where a pregnant mare had to identify the culprit.
 



There was one just the other day SC, in the Coolmore LOL
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I was merely saying that if a group of horses lined up randomly in lower grade, these mega trainers would not be able to pick who is racing for them as they don't actually train them.

Clearly i was using a hypothetical.
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Can't quite remember the last time I saw a heap of horses in a lineup*.Let alone a trainer trying to identify his.

* unless in a paternity suit where a pregnant mare had to identify the culprit.
 


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When horses turn up to race and the "trainer" wouldn't know their horse/s in a line up there is a problem.

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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Of course there’s big business around it, same as many other sports, but the rules of racing can still be adjusted as needed. They give out trainers licences - surely they can make whatever conditions they like around having one.

They don't " give out" licences per say , you have to show your financial with proof e.g. bank statements, clients , stables , horse numbers, where you will be located , insurance ,public liability, as well as an exam?? their are numerous things you need, it can be a real head/f..., and there are conditions, quite a few, and it's up to the Applicant if he wants to toe the line or not.
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Tighten the trainers legal responsibilities.

‘If’ a horse is found to be non compliant or test positive to a substsnce the trainer will be held responsible regardless of any act or omission of a third party.

It may result in trainers beefing up security and lowering horse numbers.
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Of course there’s big business around it, same as many other sports, but the rules of racing can still be adjusted as needed. They give out trainers licences - surely they can make whatever conditions they like around having one.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

It's a sport lol, go tellthat to Coolmore.

Or that "other bloke" Messara.
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It's a sport lol, go tellthat to Coolmore.
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