MORE DRUG DEATHS - Event Date: 13 Jan 2019

We seem to be off the rails on this thread , now .

For starters , testing drugs for their safety to take at a musical festival is not possible , with all factors considered.
Apart from TIME involved and the many drugs that can't be detected , there is the question of what has already been taken , what alcohol has been or will be mixed with the unknown amount of whatever.

Do people realise that "POT" is one of the top causes of psychosis ,
especially among people pre disposed to Mental Health difficulties.

We are really heading in the wrong direction.
There are many ways to substantially reduce illegal drug use and most of those methods are not pretty for USERS.

If kids aren't mature enough to say NO to drugs then they aren't mature enough to drive a deadly weapon .

Same applies to adults who fail breath / drug tests. Some 5 or 6 times. Gaol time needs to be mandatory for repeat offenders. Much longer Licence suspensions for all users.

FYI .    My Grandson works in the Mines , They have a ZERO tolerance for Drugs & Alcohol and are tested daily in some , or regular random in others.
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Brooke Martin , Mining Matters..
Bill XXXXX, Mining manager, says there's only one way to go: "It is to have a mine site completely free of drugs and alcohol – zero tolerance is the only way to run a safe and efficient mine." Bill has worked in mining for more than 20 years. He's seen too many incidents at work in the pit (and also heard stories from the plant) where D&A have been the cause of   major incidents, resulting in ICU, and unfortunately death. "I’ve mostly seen blokes turn up to work hungover from the night before, probably operating on no or very little sleep, get into a dump truck and cause havoc. One dozer operator even tested over the legal driving limit in a causal test following an incident last year. Young miners are paid way too much money these days and think it’s appropriate to spend up on Drugs / Alcohol during time off.   Many have their contracts terminated.

   

maccamax wrote: Do people realise that "POT" is one of the top causes of psychosis , especially among people pre disposed to Mental Health difficulties. We are really heading in the wrong direction. There are many ways to substantially reduce illegal drug use and most of those methods are not pretty for USERS.

I’ve got 2 cousins who have fried their brains. Both now are schizophrenia. Drugs were the cause but the users will deny the science
Let’s legalise it and encourage more kids to do the same

You’ve never seen bars or pubs where perfectly happy slightly pissed people leave the premises without issue? That’s like 99% of the places 99% of the time. Penalising everyone for the crime of a couple is immoral. Are there violence issues at these music festivals? (There may be, it’s a real question, I have no idea I’d rather pierce my own eardrums than attend)

*please do not assume I include ice in the ok drug pile, that stuff is just pure garbage and needs to be wiped.

linghi11 wrote: You’ve never seen bars or pubs where perfectly happy slightly pissed people leave the premises without issue? That’s like 99% of the places 99% of the time. Penalising everyone for the crime of a couple is immoral. Are there violence issues at these music festivals? (There may be, it’s a real question, I have no idea I’d rather pierce my own eardrums than attend) *please do not assume I include ice in the ok drug pile, that stuff is just pure garbage and needs to be wiped.

The question was pretty simple - are people more likely to act anti-socially when pie eyed linghi11 ?

Ok - lets keep moving. In the states The Journal of the American Medical Association reported that in 92% of domestic violence cases had alcohol was being abused in either one or both of the partners. According to the Dept of Justice the same article claims 61% of Domestic Abusers have long-term substance abuse issues. So how on hell can you say "alcohol & drugs don't cause domestic violence" - its not only blatantly wrong it is irresponsible. Substance abuse & domestic violence go hand in hand. 

oneonesit wrote: Offenders who are found guilty of domestic violence whilst abusing a substance should be banned from using again (at least for a decent period of time). If they fall off the wagon you lock them up. Domestic Violence rates would plummet

Wont happen of course. Everyone is fair dinkum about getting on top of this major issue in our society. Just not THAT fair dinkum

Nah, you’re right whale, the stuffs harmless

Whale wrote: Tlazolteotl wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: maccamax wrote: Do people realise that "POT" is one of the top causes of psychosis , especially among people pre disposed to Mental Health difficulties. We are really heading in the wrong direction. There are many ways to substantially reduce illegal drug use and most of those methods are not pretty for USERS.     I’ve got 2 cousins who have fried their brains. Both now are schizophrenia. Drugs were the cause but the users will deny the science Let’s legalise it and encourage more kids to do the same I've got 100 former doper friends, acquaintances and relatives and none of them are schizophrenic Mere facts Tiaz, the dopes here just ignore them

This coming from the biggest dope who has told everyone the only reason he doesn't take drugs/alcohol is because he "wants to keep control". Derr - that's what we've been saying 

oneonesit wrote: With respect, not sure how much notice I'd take from a bloke with "100 doper friends, acquaintances & relatives". Sounds a touch biased to me

oneonesit wrote: Whale wrote: Tlazolteotl wrote: Shrunk in the Wash wrote: maccamax wrote: Do people realise that "POT" is one of the top causes of psychosis , especially among people pre disposed to Mental Health difficulties. We are really heading in the wrong direction. There are many ways to substantially reduce illegal drug use and most of those methods are not pretty for USERS.     I’ve got 2 cousins who have fried their brains. Both now are schizophrenia. Drugs were the cause but the users will deny the science Let’s legalise it and encourage more kids to do the same I've got 100 former doper friends, acquaintances and relatives and none of them are schizophrenic Mere facts Tiaz, the dopes here just ignore them This coming from the biggest dope who has told everyone the only reason he doesn't take drugs/alcohol is because he "wants to keep control". Derr - that's what we've been saying

I knew quite a few of my flower child generation mob who were on the smoko all the time.  Peace man and all that BS.   Many are now dead and those that arnt might as well be as they are all away in La La Land.   The mind has gone walkabout for good.   Caused by that mind altering substance called ,,as they did back then,,mary jane .  Corny as hell when I think about it.  Only ever tried puffing away once and the smoke in my lungs caused me to cough my guts up and make me feel so sick, I never went there again.  And that was just smoko .  No telling the long term effects of ice etc.   I know one joker on ice went troppo, not far from here, and it took 6 big coppers to control him, so hands up for making that c**p legal . 

& your just being typical Whale. You would no more want your family members / friends using speed/cocaine/heroine than I would. And even dope causes issues long-term

Whale wrote:

Think we need to "deep dive" that response Whale. You don't do substance abuse because you want to keep control of your senses - correct. So is it safe to assume that those that do are more likely to lose control of their senses ?  "Yes" will do [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Well is pretty bloody obvious I would have thought. Ask the coppers & the emergency services folk. And the disabled 

I'm not sure your not fibbing anyway Whale. You act like a person with major issues to me. Mad as a cut snake - or as mad as a meat axe - take your pick !

Penny to peanuts those supporting substance abuse have been using same on & off themselves. Blinded by the light !